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#558259 - 11/13/19 03:46 PM Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64
Mills Offline
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I am getting into rifles a bit and keep seeing the Winchester pre 64 vs post 64. What is the basic difference? I assume it is like the Utica vs. Philly Foxes or pre 1913 LC Smiths vs post 13 Smiths? Assuming that is the case, how much did the quality drop? Thanks

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#558285 - 11/14/19 08:27 AM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Mills]
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Probably the biggest differences are in the head of the bolt construction and the method of extraction. On a pre-64 the extractor is like the Mausers which control the cartridge all the time from pushing the cartridge up out of the box magazine into the chamber and then pulling it out after firing during the extraction/ejection cycle. The post 64 just pushes the case and then as you close the bolt a small bolt face extractor snaps over the case rim. A much weaker system and cheaper to manufacture. This basic change goes further as the bolt manufacturing is easier also so follows cheaper. The post 64 work fine but not the higher quality of the pre-64's.
Hope that helps. Buy pre-64's IMO, Its all I own for bolt guns and I have a few ranging from 30-06 thru the mag cartridges to 375 H&H. One added comment, if you are going to hunt DG the post-64's or the Remington 700, which uses the same extraction as the post-64 are NOT your best choice.

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#558292 - 11/14/19 10:28 AM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Mills]
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Lynn, you fail to mention the "New CLassic M70 CRF". It ain't push feed
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#558294 - 11/14/19 10:38 AM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Mills]
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The "New Classic" will have been around for 28 years now, not so new anymore...
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#558310 - 11/14/19 04:10 PM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Mills]
Mills Offline
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Thanks for the responses

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#558314 - 11/14/19 05:24 PM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Mills]
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Are you at all familiar with the Winchester hammerless pump shotguns? If so, compare the feel, fit and finish and handling qualities of a pre-WW2 Mdel 12 in any gauge you like, field gun, with that of the POS Model 1200 Winchester pumpguns-- Most of the better finished and handling Winchesters I own (and shoot) were made prior to 1941-- look at this, if you will-- pre-war better grade walnut, rust blueing, closer tolerances, wood stood "proud" of the steel-- same analysis in your pre-vs -post 1964 Model 70's, both std grade and Super Grade, and reg. wt. and the later introduced Featherweight series M70's--

The answer regarding a Mauser BA design )M54-M-70, 1903 Springfield, Browning-Sako FN series, and others, over the Weatherby and Remington BA rifles is "Dead sure reliability in function-every time. If you and experienced hunter using BA rifles, you are well advised to cycle EVERY round of ammo for your chosen Caliber BA hunting rifle through your weapon, factory and especially handloads.

About 8-10 years ago, F&S gun editor (and mainstay old curmudgeon at large) Dave Petzal did an article on the top 50 best weapons every produced in America-- Top Pick-- The pre-1964 Winchester Model 70- hands down. That tell you anything?? RWTF
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#558367 - 11/15/19 10:45 AM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Mills]
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Thanks. That is largely what I suspected. It is so sad that so many of the great American guns fell victim to cost cutting and cheap knockoffs

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#558369 - 11/15/19 10:50 AM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Jim Kobe]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Kobe
Lynn, you fail to mention the "New CLassic M70 CRF". It ain't push feed

I didn't fail anything, I was answering the question asked without any assumptions. He asked about pre and post. The "New CLassic M70 CRF" was the third variation.
Of course we could go further into details about the 3 design variations of the Pre64 but again that wasn't the question. And we could talk about the M54 which the M70 is really and improved version of. But now we are really far flung, something I was avoiding and why I only addressed the question asked, which is always a good policy. If the poster wants to learn more they can ask for more info if they desired.

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#558370 - 11/15/19 10:51 AM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Mills]
Mills Offline
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I saw a video comparing a pre-64 Model 70 to a new Alaskan model which seemed to suggest the current Alaskan model was pretty close to the same quality of old. Is that true or just probably another commercial with fake info?

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#558371 - 11/15/19 10:52 AM Re: Winchester Model 70 Pre 64 vs. Post 64 [Re: Run With The Fox]
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Originally Posted By: Run With The Fox
.... Dave Petzal did an article on the top 50 best weapons every produced in America-- Top Pick-- The pre-1964 Winchester Model 70- hands down. That tell you anything?? RWTF

Couldn't agree more

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