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Was curious to see what year a guns manufacturing precludes the need for a FFL? Would a sleeved reproofed gun change this?
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Pre-1899 guns need to be transferred via an FFL, and entered into the FFL's Bound Ledger Book. A firearm of 1898 manufacture and before is considered to be an Antique, and can be sold or transferred without an FFL transfer, except in some Liberal Left Democrat controlled areas or states. The part that matters to the BATF is the date of manufacture of the action or receiver. Sleeving or replacing barrels on a pre-1899 action or receiver does not change its' status as an Antique gun. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/laws-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-and-explosives
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So if a gun built up in the white and sold in June 1888 to the retailer would this be an antique and no FFL necessary?
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So if a gun built up in the white and sold in June 1888 to the retailer would this be an antique and no FFL necessary? That is correct.
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See paragraph 16 here for the definition of an Antique Firearm: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap44.pdfUnfortunately, many FFL's have trouble understanding this, or are just too lazy to learn. So even when their states and localities do not have requirements stricter than Federal law, they still may refuse to sell or transfer an Antique without doing a transfer. Technically, this is wrong because pre-1899 Antique firearms are not supposed to be entered in the Bound Ledger Book.
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Pre-1899 guns need to be transferred via an FFL, and entered into the FFL's Bound Ledger Book. Keith; I don't want to sound too picky but don't want anyone getting confused either. That should read; "Post-1898 guns need to be transferred via an FFL, and entered into the FFL's Bound Ledger Book." 1898 guns have to be entered, 1898 ones do not.
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1898 guns have to be entered, 1898 ones do not. Further clarification required. 1899 guns have to be entered, 1898 ones do not.
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All the clarification in the world wouldn't help the Libtards and FUDD's we have here. They actually support and vote for the Liberal Left anti-gun Democrats who passed the Gun Control Act of 1968, and virtually all other local, State, and Federal restrictions imposed upon law abiding gun owners. They are working as we speak, to impose many more restrictions... including bans on scoped bolt action rifles such as the gun rocky mtn bill used to shoot his elk and deer. Of course, the same Liberal Left Democrats also managed to dramatically reduce the number of licensed FFL's in the U.S. when Democrat Bill Clinton was in the White House sexually abusing impressionable young female interns with cigars. Naturally, this made doing a post-1898 firearm transfer more difficult, and often more costly.
That needed to be said too... for clarification.
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It's importsnt to note, too, that some states have laws which go well beyond BATF.
The People's Republic of New York, for instance, considers a gun to be an antique only if it fires ammunition which is not currently produced.
Thus is, of course, ridiculous, because it means a 12 ga shotgun made in 1878, is not an antique, but a rifle made in 1928 chambered for .256 Newton, is an antique.
Like almost all gun laws everywhere, NY's are rife with illogical contradictions, and none of it does anything to make anyone "safer."
I tell anyone I ever get into a conversation about it, that the most dangerous thing I do in my life...by FAR...is running my chainsaws. But it would be SO MUCH SAFER to run them if only there was a warning written on the bar, explaining how sharpened chains spinning at high velocity can actually be dangerous.
Where is this critical legislation?!?!
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I just had an ATF inspection and the agent stated that pre 1899 guns do not need to go into the record book...AS LONG AS...they have not been altered, such as new wood, finish, etc. YMMV.
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