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Need some help with these marks, I think the London marks are from the late 1800's and the Birmingham marks are from about 77. Would the Birmingham proof house mark the barrels as reproofed if the original proof was done else where? press and hold the "Ctrl" key on your keyboard, and at the same time, hit the "+" key several times. Do the same thing with the "Ctrl" and "-" key to reduce it back to the usual size.
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Looks like Belgian, then London & sleeve effort in Birmingham? Or maybe it was London & then sleeve effort in Birmingham w/ a set of Belgian tubes?
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they might be Belgian replacement barrels and proofed in London and Birmingham? It's a London gun, so I'm totally confused! Maybe made in London, sleeved in Belgium and proofed in Birmingham when it came back?
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With the term >>sleeved<< on it I would hazard a guess it was sleeved by a Birmingham mechanic, that is unless it was mandatory to note if a gun was sleeved regardless of where it was performed?
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It seems to me that the sleeving in Birmingham was done with donor tubes cut/removed from a Belgium gun. Otherwise any Belgium association would have been lost in sleeving. If there are no other Belgium marks located on the Flats this would tend to confirm this. Other thoughts are welcome!
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From what I can decipher the tubes have the provisional Belgian marks, bore size and inspectors mark that falls in The date range of 1976/1977 when it was also proofed in Birmingham , all other proofs are London and Birmingham. Why no reproof stamps? Could it have been purchased and sent to Belgium, repaired while there, then sold and brought to England for proofing? All speculation but its an interesting set and kind of fun!
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I'm with Bro. Hugh - donor Belgian tubes. Do we have an image of the flats?
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None of those markings are on the tubes? This makes more sense, I hope this isnt your site. http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.htmlStill thinking the tubes were out sourced for sleeving, * S ( bore size) provisional Mark. Makes more sense than the above, where are the other markings for Belgian proof? Belgian proofed barrels are highly decorated!
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Re: Re Proof Mark (crown over R)would have been considered redundant if submitted for proof as "SLEEVED" and so marked. I don't believe Belgium provisional proof would have required bore dia in 0'1 mm increments at provisional proof .s If it had been sleeved in Belgium and prooved there should be a Belgium proof mark on the action as well. I doubt the economical viability of sending a gun from the UK to Belgium to be sleeved then returned to Birmingham for Proof. I'm a little bit in the dark on this as I can only see the first photo on the original post. Interesting tho'
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Hope this fixed it, safe to assume 3 Tons is nitro proof? What was meant was the tubes were bought from a Belgium supplier.
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