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#559841 - 12/05/19 11:07 PM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Dustin, Good Gracious God!! (and forgive the interjection). "House style" has been covered extensively!! Do you read? They had none! They were businessmen who made what would sell:

1862:


They were "Dick's Sporting Goods" of their times. Just look at the variety of the extant guns on the list!!! You guys need to learn to read!


Edited by Argo44 (12/05/19 11:11 PM)
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#559843 - 12/05/19 11:42 PM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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“Good Gracious God”. Relax drama king.

You’re right...they were businessmen, not gun makers. Just like Dicks Sporting Goods. They don’t make the stuff they sell either.

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#559844 - 12/05/19 11:48 PM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Waiting for your evidence of who made the Reilly muzzle-loaders. That would be a big historical help.

And also of your analysis of the Reilly pin-fire center break gun SN 10655 (Spring 1858).

You see Dustin...like a lot of old-fashioned historians..I'm not ideological. I want to see the evidence. I've changed the Reilly "History" multiple times over the last four years and will change it again. Appreciate the help.


Edited by Argo44 (12/05/19 11:52 PM)
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#559845 - 12/06/19 12:10 AM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Waiting for your evidence to the contrary. Burden of proof in this entire thread is on your narrow shoulders, Gene. Also waiting for your evidence about Reilly actually, definitively making a modern rifle, breech loader, sword, pocket knife, cane, clothes, hat, anything.

Ya, I can read...I can also write, comprehend and a myriad of other fun things. Quit being a condescending prick.

Just provide ACTUAL proof...and we’ll go from there.

Not sure why you don’t start your own website on this subject, kind of like Mr. Barclays page on J. Blanch. Informative and if one wants to find it, it’s there for the looking. Not like this never ending saga of Reilly that one has to see whether they like it or not every day when they come to this page. Nothing ever new, or mind blowing....just you, Gene, posting article after highlighted article of one liners and conjecture. Nothing definitive or empirical. That’s it. Seriously, consider the route of Mr. Barclays Blanch page (which I love btw) Its really surprising to me that more members here haven’t spoken out on you telling them or better yet dictating to them what your theories and conclusions are and if they seemingly have doubts about anything that you post...that they’re basically uneducated & illiterate.

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#559846 - 12/06/19 12:19 AM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Pretty sour stuff Dustin. I sort of started off the research with this site about 4 years ago as a neophyte in the genre. It's a repository of historical research - none of it is set in stone. But until Dave says it's not appropriate, I'll choose to continue to post it here. Thanks. You don't have to read it.

and Dustin...in all seriousness....you said previously that you had absolute proof that Reilly built muzzle loaders.... That for a historian is gold!! Look ... this is not an insult -fest - it's history. I'm open to anything.


Edited by Argo44 (12/06/19 12:24 AM)
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#559847 - 12/06/19 12:47 AM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Look up Toby’s Blanch website. Be more like Toby.

http://www.jblanchdatabase.co.uk/page1.htm

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#559849 - 12/06/19 01:42 AM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Look you guys...Those actions for sale on Gavin's auctions are more than hunks of metal. I got up from bed thinking about them. You see...someone made them and intended them to be sent to somebody in London. Someone collected them as they were made (or not finished) and catalogued them and saved them. You just don't get get chunks of UK gunsmithing industrial history presented to you in one whack like this everyday. I'm a former intelligence officer and the questions obviously come up:

-- who made them
-- why?
-- for whom?
-- when? (it looks to me from 1870's to 1890's)
-- who collected them?
-- The steel is analyzed.....is there a historical reference to the quality?
-- Are there records?
-- What is the history - verbal? written?

I have written to Gavin asking to be put in contact with the seller....don't play laymen games with "I'm smarter than you" or "I'll validate myself by invalidating you" and get down to the nitty gritty. Find out who consigned those actions and the story behind them.






Edited by Argo44 (12/06/19 02:00 AM)
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#559855 - 12/06/19 09:53 AM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: LeFusil]
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Originally Posted By: LeFusil
“Good Gracious God”. Relax drama king.

You’re right...they were businessmen, not gun makers. Just like Dicks Sporting Goods. They don’t make the stuff they sell either.


A pretty good summary.
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#559858 - 12/06/19 11:14 AM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Delta Tango here,have contact with 'friendly' in UK, might have some info comeing in about EMR. have mislaid last message from contact.....(Age is taking its toll on brain!!....over-out.

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#559859 - 12/06/19 11:31 AM Re: E.M. Reilly; History; Chronology; Serial Numbers [Re: Argo44]
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Roger that David. Thanks for the help. I believe that this line still has the best and most complete information on Reilly found anywhere and I'll continue to work to improve it. Gene Williams


Edited by Argo44 (12/06/19 08:16 PM)
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