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#558663 - 11/18/19 08:46 PM Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards"
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30" extractor barrels markek Belgian near breech and doll's head ext- and Laminated Steel mid rib- rib has same patterns as barrels- some minor scuffing, thin walled at muzzles-.035/.040", at breech o.850" both tubes- both top and bottom ribs intact- no dents, and barrels ring- std. brass small bead front sight

Hammer double trigger marked on lockplates W. Richards Belgium-- full stock with POW grip, black gutta percha bp- splinter forearm with spring snap release ( as on Parker Trojan series)-

Pictures to come along later (if Raimey Ellenberg will kindly post them for me)- as he has in the past.

My guess is- this was an attempt to "cash in" on the reputation of the British gunmaking firm, Westley Richards-- just as I have seen cheaper "knock-offs" of hammer Parkers badged as "Parkhurst"-- if any of you gents can shed any light on this brand of European hammer guns, thank you in advance. Only sign of a serial number is on the under rib- mid way from breech to muzzle- 4311 and a letter D in a circle- breech flats markings are:left tube Large letter C-- in an oval, letters E over L and G over a 5 pointed smaller star--more to follow- RWTF


Edited by Run With The Fox (11/19/19 08:03 AM)
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#558669 - 11/18/19 10:41 PM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: Run With The Fox]
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I believe that most of the W Richards marked guns made in Belgium were low-end Pieper made guns, though not 100% positive. My uncle had one of these Belgian made W Richards & was carrying it about his arm one day & stopped to work on a fence. He laid it on the ground & when he finished work he forgot he had it & left it. Didn't discover it missing for a few days & thought it had been stolen. About a year later he stumbled across it, but it was of course totally ruined by then.

He also had my Grandfathers W Richards which has Birmingham proofs. It appears to have been built by J P Clabrough & Bros. I now have this gun as well as the "parts" of the Belgian one. The Birmingham gun is an older gun than the Belgian. Although a long way from a "Best" it is obvious it was a higher quality gun than the Belgian.
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#558676 - 11/19/19 06:56 AM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: 2-piper]
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2-Piper, W(William)Richards out of Liverpool was no slouch! They may have records https://www.wrichardsguns.co.uk/

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#558684 - 11/19/19 08:06 AM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: RARiddell]
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Many thanks, gents. I also have a Remington 12 bore hammer gun- will have more details after I can get the barrels to uncouple from the receiver--if memory serves, in one of my back issues of DGJ there was a lengthy article on the Remington hammer guns- RWTF
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#558687 - 11/19/19 08:23 AM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: Run With The Fox]
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Send them on Francis & I'll rectify my Photobucket account, I guess.

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#558693 - 11/19/19 09:38 AM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: Run With The Fox]
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RARiddell;
My gun is not a William Richards. Although it is in such poor present condition it's a bit hard to tell, but quality-wise I put it above a Belgian W Richards but beneath the Liverpool W Richards.

Somewhere on the internet I once found a posting by W Richards of Liverpool showing markings that would be found on all guns of their make. Was plain & simple mine wasn't among them. Mine is strictly a wall hanger, kept Solely for its sentimental value.

It appears to be well established that Clabrough did indeed build some low-cost guns carrying the W Richards name, so I assume mine is one of these.
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#558701 - 11/19/19 11:57 AM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: ellenbr]
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Danke- somehow I knew you would come through for me, as you have done in the past. Being a computer/internext "Putz", I'm a bit uncertain as to what you mean here, meine Fruend. If there is any cost factor to you for doing this on my behalf, please advise and I will make it right for you--I also have some initial details on the 12 gauge Remmie hammer gun-- 32" barrels- top rib near breech is stamped-- Remington Arms Co. Ilion, N.Y. USA. sn on under rib seems to be 35991-- one problem-- hammers and triggers function fine, ditto top lever-How-some-ever- when you unlatch the forearm and pivot open the breech, the barrels will NOT come free from the receiver- Never have seen this before-.. RWTF


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#558707 - 11/19/19 01:17 PM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: Run With The Fox]
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Fox, maybe push the toplever over far as it will go?...Geo

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#558714 - 11/19/19 03:34 PM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: Run With The Fox]
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I own a Belgian "W Richards" (no period after the W). Mine is a 16ga, composite barrels, exposed hammers, ball grip and splinter F/E. Actually a pretty nice gun.

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#558744 - 11/19/19 06:29 PM Re: Laminated steel barrels Belgian "W. Richards" [Re: Geo. Newbern]
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thank you, Suh- will try a soft tap with a plastic hammer-otherwise, I don't know what is preventing the barrels from pivoting out of the frame--RWTF
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