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I'm not really looking for an argument Ted. So I'll agree with you... And even make you an offer.

Since that vise of yours is now a 26 year-old, vintage clunker, i would be happy to take it off of your hands.

I'm sure you'll agree with me that since it's so old it's probably not worth too much money.
How about this: For $100, I'll unburden you of that ancient piece of junk. And I'll even cover the shipping.


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Originally Posted By: Mike Hunter
Ehhh.. .Im gonna disagree with you on the newer is better.


I was just trying to think of a single tool manufacturer that improved the quality of their tools from pre ww2 to post ww2 to today. There's no argument that technology has advanced, but not quality. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I'm having a hard time thinking of any.

That's why for simple tools like chisels and hand planes, for example, the early 20th century products are so coveted. There's no doubt that you have to sift through lots of junk to find the good tools, but a 1919 Stanley number 4 smoothing plane is only rivalled by a 2019 lie-nielsen number four.

For some people, the certainty of buying a lie Nielsen is worth the premium cost. for others, the certainty of buying something new outweighs the desire for highest quality. But for me, I enjoy not only the use of the old hand tools, but also their restoration and preservation.


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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein


I bet the original owners all graduated from cOOn rapids

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Originally Posted By: Woodreaux
I'm not really looking for an argument Ted. So I'll agree with you... And even make you an offer.

Since that vise of yours is now a 26 year-old, vintage clunker, i would be happy to take it off of your hands.

I'm sure you'll agree with me that since it's so old it's probably not worth too much money.
How about this: For $100, I'll unburden you of that ancient piece of junk. And I'll even cover the shipping.









Jim,
Get in line. You are about number 5. First in line at least offered me what I paid for it. With a smile on his face.

The mount is worth as much as the vice. On that note, Id hate for you to be disappointed in using a new tool. You have a fine collection. 30 years from now, check with my son.

I did sit down and order a new 3 1/2 Morgan, to replace an aging Craftsman at work. I procure the tools in our department. Ill let you know what I think of it. Old tools are great, until you are making a living with them.

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Well, don't say I didn't offer...

I'll bet that Morgan is going to be nice. It looks good online, and the reviews are favorable.


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Making a living with your vise...haaa.

Must be a meager living considering your vise shows no use.


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... this is getting old and ruining an otherwise informative thread. I would 'ignore' both of you, but you both have useful things to offer when you're not flirting with one another.

I'll summarize the substance of y'all's argument so we can move on:

Ted hates Phillips head screws and thinks brand new Wilton (and maybe Morgan??) mechanic or machinist's vises are the only reasonable option. His Wilton vise serves him well in a number of capacities. He also hates Lowe's. And his 26 year old vise qualifies as brand new.

jOe thinks Ted's vise and pole are too shiny and he hates old bikes and ginormous machines that have bearings to be pressed. He finds the versa vise to be very useful for detail work and has no trouble with it being unstable (meaning that it is not unstable- not that he doesn't mind instability) even for larger gun work, despite the Phillips head screws. He also hates something called coon rapids.

Did I miss anything?



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There is nothing unstable about it.

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Originally Posted By: Woodreaux
That's an incredible collection... I kept thinking, 'well, now we know where all the old tools went.'

For those interested, the vises and anvils start around minute 18. Click here to start at that point: https://youtu.be/bI11wqTUKls?t=1080
Wow, 750 vintage vises. More than a hobby..... an affectation?? Obsession??. Wonder how many of them are any good? Ted could get a full time job checking them all out for soundness. cry

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
There is nothing unstable about it.


It has been edited for clarity

(Don't tell anyone, but there are Wood screws holding my wooden bench together. And it's very stable).

(Update for clarity #2:. Not my woodworking bench... That one is held together entirely by glue lamination and traditional joinery. There is not a nail or screw anywhere in it)

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