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Raimey,
I have Vernier calipers, dial calipers, electronic calipers, Vernier micrometers and electronic micrometers, but none of them will measure to the "millionth of a mm". When I broadcast Rye, I use grain rye, the deer like it better. Since you know better than the owner ( or his father that left him the guns) what caliber it is, you can tell him. My assessment is the double rifle was proofed in Suhl between 1911 and 1922. If that is wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. I am open to an explanation of where it is wrong, based on the info given.
Mike

The friend that gave me the rifle stated that it was 9x57R. I cast the chamber and found that it seemed to meet the dimension for 9x57R so I bought RCBS dies and formed brass from 8x57R brass which was available. I have fired it a few times with cast 9mm bullets with no problems. I haven't spent the time to come up with a load that regulates the barrels. Another factor was that I couldn't find a rimmed version of the MS 9x56mm, which was the only 56mm cartridge in "Cartridges of the World" Do you know of a 9x56R round?
Jim

Here the photos you asked for:
[img:center]https://photos.app.goo.gl/RkaCbN9R3C457HhJ7[/img]
This is from up the barrel where the forearm attaches:
[img:center]https://photos.app.goo.gl/cJTwmfwb6GhTuRov8[/img]
left side flats:
[img:center]https://photos.app.goo.gl/Mq5S4TxWyQvfskpUA[/img]
Thanks, Jim

Jim,
As far as I know, there is not a rimmed version of the 9x56 MS Mod. 1905. This cartridge was introduced with and for the Mod. 1905 Mannlicher Schoenauer which requires a rimless cartridge. The 9x57R was introduced about the same time and was popular enough to answer the demand for such a cartridge in break open guns. The 9x57R is the nominal designation( name). The case length is not listed in Dixon ( European Sporting Cartridges) as a full 57mm long, rather 56.64mm. This isn't much different than 57mm and unless the chamber is measured again, there is no way to know now if a piece of swarf or something kept the 57mm gauge out but allowed the 56mm gauge in. The tables in the back of Wiederladen(a German handloading manual by Dynamit Nobel) lists the bullet diameter as 9.08mm( about .357"), but most barrels "slug" about .358", but not all. Most people use .358" bullets, both American and German, with complete satisfaction. If a .358" bullet will enter the neck of an unsized case, fired in that chamber, it can be used. If it will not enter, in your case, trim the case to 56mm and try again. If that works, trim all the cases to 56mm and load as usual. If you are a member of the German Gun Collectors Assn., there is an article about the 9x57/9x57R cartridge is one of the later WAIDMANNSHEILs( one of the GGCA publications). Reprints are available. If you are not a member, I suggest you look into it, you seem interested.
Mike

Good Idea - I removed the rear scope mount and fully exposed the words "KRUPP" on the breech end of the left barrel and "STAHL" on the right barrel. Since this translates to Krupp steel - I'm not sure this helps. No other proof marks under the mount - it was integral to barrel rib so it must have been fitted/built with the rifle.

Jim,
That just refers to the steel, from which the barrels were made.
Mike

Hello everyone, could you b� so kind and help me to identify my new - old german drilling Suhl 9,3x72r 16/16,its 16x65mm,Im n�t s�re about the chokes, I would Like to shoot lead breneke slugs, on the right barrel is Mark 17/1 and on the left 16/1 a � an W with the crown. What is approx. Value of it? Thank you. Im try to p�ť some images here. Greetings from Slovakia! MARTIN

How can I uploadsome pictures here from my Phone? I cant find my files asit says in faq. Thank you very much

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