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Lloyd, I have come to the conclusion that my favorite part of hunting is the adventures I can embark upon, in the name of hunting. The people I can meet. The friends I can make. The countryside I can walk across. At 61 I am healthy and mobile and intend to spend at least the next 10 years traveling somewhere each fall and catching up with old friends I'm meeting for the first time. Darn sure I'll see you in CO or LOTW with Ted sometime in the not too distant future. laugh

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Back to the topic:

Greg, I just read this:

https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/01/breaking-the-raids-have-begun-all-for-a-22-bunny-gun/


Does this seem accurate? Is it what you know to be happening? So easy to get false info these days.




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On Thursday evening, I was just finishing up dinner with my two oldest kids. My wife was feeling unwell and feeding our four-week-old baby in bed. I had just gotten the icecream out for the kids when the doorbell rang.

I opened the door to see a number of police officers outside. They served me with a search warrant under Section 6 of the Search and Surveillance Act 2012. Half a dozen armed police officers swarmed in the front door (holstered sidearms only) as several more ran around the sides of the house. They later called for more backup as the house was larger than your average state-house drug lab. I got the impression that theyd never had to raid a middle-class suburban house like mine before. Everyone on the property was detained, read their rights, and questioned separately. I opted to call a lawyer who advised me to refuse to answer any questions.


The warrant claimed they had reason to believe I was in possession of a prohibited magazine fitted to a .22RL lever-action rifle. Blued metal, brown wooden stock. The officer told me I had posted about it online, which I hadin my public written submission against the Firearms Amendment Act passed last year. That submission was shared on several blogs and social media. I had used the firearm as an example to prove the legislation was not targeting military-style assault weapons as the media, prime minister, and her cabinet repeated ad nauseum. The vast majority of firearms affected by the legislation were just like mine.


The BFD Norinco .22 lr lever action (copy of a Winchester)
I thought nothing more of my little example to the select committee. It was no longer in my possession when the police raided my house. They departed empty-handed after turning the place inside out for ninety minutes and left me with my firearms and a visibly shaken wife who broke down in tears. Thankfully, the kids didnt quite get what was going onbut I realised after that they had gone to bed without icecream.

Ive been vocal about the amnesty being a disaster, and the police were rather open about the failure of the whole process. Maybe if they stopped raiding innocent peoples houses there might have been some more good will? They implied that theyd keep having to raid the houses of people I knew until the firearm turned up. This is for an A-Category firearm, which I have no reason to believe is fitted with a prohibited magazine! Are these the kind of intimidation tactics now the norm in New Zealand? Are we going to accept this in a first-world democracy?

This is for a lever-action .22LR thats designed to hit paper or be used to hunt bunnies. What happened to going after the weapons designed to kill people as the police minister Stuart Nash has claimed?

The implications of this are rather stunning. I took the photo and publicised the details about this firearm as part of the select committee process. This good-faith evidence was used by the police as a justification for their raid. Do we now live in a country where public evidence given to a select committee will be used against you to suit the political purposes of the police?

Anyone whos publicly talked about or posted a picture of their grandfathers little .22LR pump/lever action can get raided, as these rifles all had 10+ capacity prior to the draconian new rules. Admitting you had one a year ago is reason enough to warrant a raid on your property today.

I suppose its no coincidence that I pointed out in an article last month just how bad the numbers are when it comes to compliance. When I said that New Zealand gun owners arent rolling over for anybody, this is not quite what I had in mindagain, why raid the guy publicly pointing out the truth?

Ive been vocal about my opposition to many of this governments policies. I live a very conservative life and hold traditional conservative views which I am public about. Ive never promoted non-compliance and was rather shocked by how low the numbers really were. This left me wondering: was this a politically motivated action by someone high-up in the bureaucracy ordered to make examples?

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Approximately twelve armed police raided the authors property
No name was on the warrant
The police used the authors select committee submission as evidence
The police suggested that if the author didnt talk to the police there would be more raids
The firearm in question was a Norinco .22 lr lever action (copy of a Winchester) ie NOT a semi-automatic


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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern


Damn, I posted in a political discussion!


When its a hockey thread well worry.


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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
....However, he believes he is in a majority position in the USA. Some cite "polls" to "prove" that. Numerically, our President came in second in the last election....

....Damn, I posted in a political discussion!

Ask him Geo, does he really want to count the forty some percent on the losing end of an electoral college vote towards a mob rule total for states such as kali or new yak? Or, better yet, does he want to motivate untold numbers of apathetic right of center voters who know theyre disenfranchised based on geography? In truth, all they want with the popular vote is to get senators dumbed down to regular congressional reps. Dont you post in all the political ones?

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("Dont you post in all the political ones?")craigd

I try not to. I have opinions though and sometimes they tend to slip out...Geo

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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
("Dont you post in all the political ones?")craigd

I try not to. I have opinions though and sometimes they tend to slip out...Geo



Its all good....


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Originally Posted By: canvasback
Back to the topic:

Greg, I just read this:

https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/01/breaking-the-raids-have-begun-all-for-a-22-bunny-gun/


Does this seem accurate? Is it what you know to be happening? So easy to get false info these days.....



I hope we get an answer to this question soon because it looks like SKB Stevie is returning to his usual tactic of attempting to disrupt gun rights threads.

This thread must be particularly upsetting to Stevie since he has been so invested in denying that New Zealand even had any gun registration prior to the recent new anti-gun laws and infringements.

Of course, Stevie also manages to squeeze in more free advertising and self promotion of his businesses every time he disrupts a gun rights topic. He won't tell us if he is doing free advertising over on the Upland Journal forum. I wonder why?


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See why keith is known as lying keith in this thread:

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=545822&page=1

His real name is Billie M(censored to protect those guilty of hacking) but if you want to know who the admitted hacker on our board is, just ask me. I am more than happy to give out ALL of sweet William's contact info.


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Originally Posted By: SKB
....in this thread....

Do you know if there's any truth to that NZ article? Are such innocuous little footprints being used to intimidate the easy pickings, only twelve officers?

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Originally Posted By: SKB
See why keith is known as lying keith in this thread:

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=545822&page=1

His real name is Billie M(censored to protect those guilty of hacking) but if you want to know who the admitted hacker on our board is, just ask me. I am more than happy to give out ALL of sweet William's contact info.


That's really funny Stevie! Only you would be stupid enough to provide a link to a thread containing QUOTES of you admitting that you said that guns weren't registered in New Zealand at the time of the Christchurch shooting:

Originally Posted By: SKB


I told you guns were not registered in New Zealand.

Steve


You even posted that N.Y. Post link with data from anti-gunner Philip Alpers and GunPolicy.org to support your position.

Your continued internet doxxing threats are equally funny. They also illustrate what a low-life gutless coward you are. You and your equally spineless pals, Bob Cash and BrentD hoped that you could intimidate jOe and I, and make us leave, but it just isn't working as you all hoped, is it?

Now why don't you tell us if you are doing the same endless free advertising of your businesses over on the Upland Journal forum like you do here. And do you post picture of yourself wearing buckle strap girl's shoes like you did here in your Sight Repair thread?





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