S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
|
|
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
31
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums10
Topics38,374
Posts544,009
Members14,391
|
Most Online1,131 Jan 21st, 2024
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 369 Likes: 3
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 369 Likes: 3 |
AIN'T MUCH A MAN CAN'T FIX WITH SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS AND A THIRTY OUGHT SIX
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 348 Likes: 21
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 348 Likes: 21 |
Nice gun looks to have intercepting sears.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445 Likes: 201
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445 Likes: 201 |
This is a post war gun( Dec 195?), so would have post war model. Mike
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181 |
Ah, that's a 1954(December) Sauer Modell >>Kim<< offering. By 1958/1959 it was to be the staple workhorse platform in 16 & 20 bore. 12 bore was available in 1958 and by 1959 the 12 bore was an option warranting an extra fee & I think it may have been equipped with ejectors & a single trigger. Typically though, post WWII Sauers had the Modell Nr. stamped on the aft lug? For now I have no idea how the Sauer Modell Nr. >>Kim<< / >>Sauer Kim<< acquired its name but it was an effort to utilize the Kerner - Anson overhanging scear platform of the Sauer Modell Nr. 8(pre WWII or post WWII??) and lower the cost by eliminating the Greener Crossbolt & sideclips. At the time, they gave that although they had eliminated the Greener Crossbolt that they had maintained the same strength / lockup by beefing up the underlugs???? They stated that the Brits had abandoned the Greener Crossbolt & they wished to follow suit.
Cheers,
Raimey rse
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181 |
In the late 1950s it was advertised for around $160 U.S. of A.
Cheers,
Raimey rse
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 369 Likes: 3
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 369 Likes: 3 |
quote=ellenbr]Ah, that's a 1954(December) Sauer Modell >>Kim<< offering. By 1958/1959 it was to be the staple workhorse
So I am trying to ID it for the estate of a deceased friend . I am trying to ID it in the Blue Book to get an estimated value Is it a Model 60 ? If I cannot positively ID it in the Blue Book I need some kind of estimated value. Thank you, Dale
AIN'T MUCH A MAN CAN'T FIX WITH SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS AND A THIRTY OUGHT SIX
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181 |
Hum, not sure on any accounts. The >>Sauer Kim<< was a U.S. of A. designation and if it was an inland German offering, it would have been a >>Sauer Standard Doppelflinte Modell Nr. 5/5<<. But it is not a Modell Nr. 60. I don't know that the Bluebook would address the >>Sauer Kim<< nor the >>Sauer Standard Doppelflinte Modell Nr. 5/5<<. One would just have to search on the World Wide Webb and find comps.
Cheers,
Raimey rse
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,469 Likes: 386
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,469 Likes: 386 |
For comparable model pricing check out this site. Lots of post war Sauers and Simpsons, coming from the same factory. Don't forget prices are Canadian. https://www.tradeexcanada.com/produits/73
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181 |
And I'm not sure why exactly, but the Germans really knock that >>Spezial Laufstahl Bochumer Verein<< steel stating that it was a inferior steel?
Cheers,
Raimey rse
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445 Likes: 201
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445 Likes: 201 |
Very early post war Sauers were made in the old factory in Suhl. The Sauer trademark had moved to Eckernforde(?) by the time the pictured gun was made( note the proof house "house mark". After the move, there was all new machinery and all new designs. New parts didn't work with prewar guns and the model numbers didn't match the new model names. After the move, Fortuna was made on the old machinery. Mike
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 11,372 Likes: 103
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 11,372 Likes: 103 |
Agree with Raimey that it's not a Model 60. Those were West German-made guns, and so stamped on the barrels.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 934 Likes: 53
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 934 Likes: 53 |
Nice gun looks to have intercepting sears. Education time (for me): what do you see in this picture that leads you to make the statement above?
Perry M. Kissam NRA Patron Life Member
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,469 Likes: 386
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,469 Likes: 386 |
Nice gun looks to have intercepting sears. Education time (for me): what do you see in this picture that leads you to make the statement above? The pin (screw) at the top rear of the action.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736 Likes: 181 |
But don't let that fool you: >>Axel E. on the subject: "See the screw at the lower rear of the action body? This is the fulcrum of the original design Anson & Deeley sear. It is in the bottom of the action body and engages a detent in the tumbler from below, close to the tumbler fulcrum. During the 1920s the Suhl gunmakers almost universally adopted E.Kerner's modification of the A&D lockwork. Kerner relocated the sears to the top/rear of the action. They turn on a screw located at the top rear of the action and engage a detent on the top of the tumblers, removed as far as possible from the hammer fulcrum. This arrangement vastly improved the leverage. As much less mainspring pressure rested on the sear detent, Kerner's top sears allow lighter and at the same time safer trigger releases. Secondary safety sears are unnecessary with Kerner's sear arrangement. "<< https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=328854L. Brown: >>That screw, located where it is, sometimes leads people to believe that guns with that design have intercepting sears.<< Cheers, Raimey rse
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 12,743
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 12,743 |
I have a Sauer & Son/V L & D sidelock from Ca 1901 which has vertical sears pivoted in the middle. The upper end has the sear which engages the hammer at its outer periphery, I would guess about as safe a sear as one could find.
Also, all my Lefevers also have the hammer notch on the outer periphery.
Miller/TN I Didn't Say Everything I Said, Yogi Berra
|
|
|
|
|