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The guy who wrote the article uses a Purdey as an example. He later writes that a gun of lesser value (Pretty much anything else) wouldnt be worth the expense.
My argument is weak? So far, the only arguments you have is you own them, and they were cheap.
Tell me this. When the stub is sawed off the junk barrels to leave trousers to put barrels into, are the lumps, upper rib and lower rib removed, and the 100 year old solder, braze and whatever else inspected, cleaned, prepped, and put carefully back together, ready to accept the new tubes?
Why not? Frame your answer within the context of Kirk Merrington writing that stripping and relaying of ribs should be considered maintenance on double barreled guns.
Go ahead.
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Frame your reply around this, Who said they werent? How would you know? First off I never said anything about cheap, find it and quote me. If you are referring to sleeving a 95gbp Gun, then that would explain your confusion with that simple article. Look Im not here to argue with you, its obvious you dont like themperiod. Im not here to change your mind either! Just stating that sleeving is a very acceptable and reasonable way to get a damaged gun back into action. Read the article again you are missing details there is more than just Purdey in that article and read my first post a little more clearer; really not sure what you are yammin about in the first place. Go ahead!
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I have two sleevers. The Elsie which I had done, and my first Brit-gun, an E.M. Reilly & Co I bought years ago from a for sale ad on here, with full disclosure that it was sleeved.
I know for a fact the Elsie was unusable before the sleeve, and I suspect the Reilly was as well. Both guns came cheaper than usable originals, but in both these cases the originals were not usable.
I'll acknowledge the hit in value, but I do not accept the premise that welldone sleevers are any less safe than original barrels. JMHO...Geo
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Since the barrels are "Cut Off" ahead of the chamber it should be perfectly obvious that it is first necessary to remove the ribs. These are most often soft soldered on. The breeches are mast often brazed, including the underlug as well as the rear portion of the top rib if it has an upper bolt. These would be left intact. The sleeve joint itself does not weaken the chamber area. "IF" the old barrels had rust or pitting inside the ribs then it is highly conceivable the sleeved barrels are indeed stronger & they may well be made of a stronger alloy of steel than were the old ones.
I would of course never recommend sleeving a set unless the old barrels had been determined to be UN-SAFE. n that case it has been & still can be a very viable means of putting a fine old gun back into use. One simply has to weigh the cost against what can be obtained for the same money otherwise. Assuming a well-done job, safety is not truly the issue.
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If it was done well (well struck-down to a proper weight & seamless), sleeving per se doesn't bother me. If it takes a neat old(er) gun that isn't useable, safe (or both) and makes it serviceable again, hooray! With that said, however, the rule of thumb at my previous employer was fairly simple, sleeved guns were priced at 30% below what a comparable gun (ie. same make & model w/original tubes) would be priced at. What bugged me then (10 plus years ago now) was the seemingly regular practice of sawing-off of lovely old Damascus-tubed guns to sleeve them for resale to an ignorant (& mostly American) public who wouldn't have anything to do with Damascus. Another practice was "lining" (instead of sleeving), which seems now to have gone out of favor for perceived liability issues (?).
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Lloyd, Lining had a few drawbacks as mentioned in this article Teague Lining. It is unfortunate this process wasn't the "silver bullet". Ken
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Stay tuned.....a new process is in the works currently and may be on the market by year's end if all goes well.
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May God bless America and those who defend her.
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A top barrel guy in the UK is working out the final details on an improved lining process. He is working on over coming the issues the Teague process had mentioned in the article. As the former US representative for barrel lining I can tell you a big obstacle to overcome will be shipping guns over and back economically. The service will likely be far more cost effective for guns already in the UK.
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