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I do not have any trouble firing the back trigger first on incoming doves, then immediately going to the front for the closer shot. I only have to think about which one I want to shoot first. Moving from the back trigger to the front, or vise versa, is not an issue, and never requires any conscious thought. I believe anyone can learn to do this with a bit of practice, there's nothing special about me.

Why don't you give it a try before you go swapping triggers around on it? You might be glad you did.

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Stan, you are absolutely correct. Once I decide which trigger to fire first moving to the other for a second shot is a totally subconscious action.


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Stan & Joe, I'm with you.
A majority of my shooting is driven and a majority of my guns have traditional light right, tighter left. I find using the back trigger first quite natural but it does mean engaging the brain! On an 'average' bird, I really don't bother but on a high bird I shoot tight first and on a close bird I use the open choke and keep the tight for that (usually unsuccessful!) going away shot behind.
In the UK gun trade we generally call a tight right/light left a 'Grouse Choked' gun in deference to the rule that in shooting driven grouse, the first shot should be well out in front in order to have time to use your 2nd barrel.
I recently acquired a lovely Blanch BA SLE with Kell engraving and 29" Whitworth 'Grouse Choked' barrels. Looking forward to using it next game season on driven partridge and pheasant.

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Never heard the term "grouse choked" Toby, but it's interesting that dove shooting can be much the same.

There is no question that my biggest failing in shooting doves is to wait too long to trigger that first incomer. I thought I had taught myself, in Argentina, that an incoming dove can be killed much farther out than usually believed. I was using a 20 ga. with IM and LM chokes, 7/8 oz. of 8s. I just kept pushing what I thought was the outer limits of range on incomers, kept dumping them easily with the IM, and never really found out how far out is too far. But, back home on a shoot, I will invariably wait a second too late and my easy incomer has suddenly become a shot with many magnitudes more difficulty. And, the chance of an easy double has disappeared.

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Stan, Yes, hanging on your first shot is a problem that I have tussled with for years. Even when I was professionally coaching and telling my clients to get their first shot off earlier, I still hung on my own shots!
The last two years I have made a conscious effort to get that first barrel off as quick as safety and aim allows and use my tight choke first. The effects have been impressive with my shots to kill ration getting to 3:2 by the end of this season just finished. Furthermore, a vast majority of my birds were killed with that first barrel, very few runners and no smashed birds ('feather pillow jobs' as we call them!). Sadly the opportunities for Right & Left's are rare on my modest shooting days. wink

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I live for feather pillow kill shots on barn pigeons and crows--off season shotgunning practice instead of SC-- My favorite 12 bore for that sort of wingshooting is either a Model 12 30" imp. mod. choke (Tournament Grade) with solid rib-field stock dims- no matter what shot size or loads I use it in, it patterns out at 70% in a 30" dia. circle on paper at 35 yards-

I would love to shoot it in the company of your George Digweed, on crows and wood pigeons-- I have seen the videos of him shredding wood pigeons and crows with an O/U that probably cost more than our house did in 1972. Doubt if I'd get an invite for driven pheasants with your upper class gentry, even if I had a matched (or even composed) pair of 12 bores--

Toby, is it now?? My Mick Irish Grandfather had a collection of your porcelain mugs-smuggled out of England during the prohibition era. Was your family involved in that enterprise, perchance. RWTF


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Early American skeet sxs often had the R barrel choked tighter than the L, for doubles: "Skeet Out" R, "Skeet In" L. Not likely the case on this gun, however, since it's British.

Driven birds . . . I have an old auction catalog from Christie's, back when they were in the gun business. The catalog features several pairs of guns. Although it seems to be a popular belief that guns were choked tighter R barrel and more open L for driven birds, NONE of the pairs shown in the catalog are choked that way. And British pairs in particular were usually purpose built for driven birds.

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Originally Posted By: Toby Barclay
Stan, Yes, hanging on your first shot is a problem that I have tussled with for years. Even when I was professionally coaching and telling my clients to get their first shot off earlier, I still hung on my own shots!
The last two years I have made a conscious effort to get that first barrel off as quick as safety and aim allows and use my tight choke first. The effects have been impressive with my shots to kill ration getting to 3:2 by the end of this season just finished. Furthermore, a vast majority of my birds were killed with that first barrel, very few runners and no smashed birds ('feather pillow jobs' as we call them!). Sadly the opportunities for Right & Left's are rare on my modest shooting days. wink


The frustrating thing is that I know in my mind that I can kill the incomer much farther than I do. The shot is hitting most vulnerable parts of the bird .......... the head, neck, the front portion of the body, and the main wing bones. You know that, Toby, as well as I do. So, why is it so hard to overcome the urge to wait just a second or two longer? In Cordoba I could eventually make myself shoot the first so far out that when I killed the second it fell in front of me. That's a pretty long shot on the first, if you think about it, because the doves are probably cruising at about 50 mph, maybe more, and they fall a good long distance from where they're hit.

It is the biggest quandary I face in wingshooting. If killing a double on incomers wasn't so attractive to me I wouldn't care where the first bird was shot. But, there is nothing as satisfying, in the kinds of wingshooting I have done, as taking a true double on incoming birds and having the second fall in front of you.

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This boring sequence right barrel choked,left barrel open bored is sometimes found on guns made in the UK intended for driven grouse shooting. In driven grouse shooting the the first bird shot at is most distant. The second bird shot at is closer to the gun hence The reverse boring.
The reason for the reversal in boring is thought to be that some sportsmen used to shooting flushed game rising close in, always using guns bored open in the right barrel and choke in the left barrel could not, in the heat of the moment, when grouse shooting, automatically switch their barrel selection. Thus distant birds were missed and close in birds mangled!


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Gun in hand. Triggers are right handed and set up, front/right, back/left. I forgot how nice is handles at 6lbs 4oz. with 28" barrels.

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