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#568303 - 03/27/20 01:26 PM Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher
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I was at the Antique Arms Show in Las Vegas just before it was closed down by the near Biblical Plague and found a very nice German under lever hammer gun in 16 gauge with Damascus (?type) barrels. The engraving is very well executed with Gottlob Wilcke in one banner and Stuttgart in another. The rib has inlayed " G. Wilcke.Königl.HofBüchsenmacher. Stutgart. The barrel flats and water table have absolutely no proofs, serial numbers, date stamps with only G. Wilcke on the water table. So made and sold prior to 1892 proof law. I cannot find any information on this maker or who might have done the engraving but surely work at this level must have left some bread crumbs somewhere??

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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/j3rRfr...W6pEyGLfy=w2400


Edited by Gankai (03/28/20 11:11 PM)

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#568308 - 03/27/20 03:10 PM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: Gankai]
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The links don't work.

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#568425 - 03/28/20 11:09 PM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: gunsaholic]
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#568431 - 03/29/20 09:32 AM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: Gankai]
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https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/1713-386/

I still content that Hugo Kolb applied the tap, tap, tap adornment on the longarm. And it was only say 330 km South from Suhl to Stuttgart. The barrel bands look very similar?


Cheers,

Raimey
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#568473 - 03/29/20 06:09 PM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: Gankai]
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A Gottlob Wilcke was exhibitor at the Commerce and Trade show of the country of Baden-Württemberg in Stuttgart in 1881:

https://digibus.ub.uni-stuttgart.de/viewer/object/1484295237590/1/LOG_0003/

And in the archivs there is a succession act (Nachlassakte) of Wilcke, Gottlob Hofbüchsenmacher from 1915:

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/P7CNUUZMURSSYRXMHQX7MGUWAP4HEDM5

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#568477 - 03/29/20 07:04 PM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: Gunwolf]
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Danke für deine Hilfe!!

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#568488 - 03/29/20 08:26 PM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: ellenbr]
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Good memory for details! The banner is also cut similar to another, older, hammer Lindner I have.

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#568563 - 03/30/20 01:39 PM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: Gankai]
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Here are some ramblings I have composed:

The Wilckes were gunsmiths(Büchsenmachermeister) in Stuttgart for several generations and J. Chr. was probably Gottlob's father. J. Chr. Wilcke in German references is noted as having Gottlieb Daimler as an apprentice. I believe Daimler abandoned the gunmaking craft after he attained his gunmaking master's sheepskin. I did find Ole Gottlob Wilcke in an 1875, as well as 1876) Stuttgart listing at Augustenstraße 27 and I have seen his name associated with >>S auch Schwertfeger<< but not sure if that is a last name or a craft / trade name? In the early 1880s & possibly prior he was active at Gymnasiumstraße 6. It may be during this period that he attained the rank of Hof??? Looks like his wife Maria took the reins @ some point and by say 1926 a Georg Braun was successor. With Wolfgang's lovely addition above, it may be that Braun became a partner in 1915?

From an 1835 listing there was a Wilcke that was a Büchsenmacher & another who was a Stellmacher in Stadt Aschersleben, which is quite a distance away.


Cheers,

Raimey
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#568640 - 03/31/20 09:24 AM Re: Gottlob Wilcke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: Gankai]
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Too, a source tells me that the Wilcke mechanics were of an old lineage from the Middle Ages(I bet they had a tonne of work for the Hobbits) where they were sword mechanics who preserved and put a fine a fine edge on edged weapons. Today such a person applies a bit of anti-corrosion salve & from components assembles edged weapons.

I do not see that a Gottlob Wilcke picked up the craft. Maybe there was one and he fell in fighting in one of the conflicts? Maybe George Braun was a son-in-law or grandson. He may have just bought into the family?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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#568653 - 03/31/20 10:34 AM Re: Gottlob Wilke, HofBüchsenmacher [Re: Gankai]
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Too, many times it seems Wilcke & Wilke are exchanged without pause or interchangeably. Up till 1877, I don't see Büchsenmacher Wilcke, Gottlob with a Royal Appointment of Königlich Hofbüchsenmacher. And too if you scan for Büchsenmacher Wilke, Gottlob, the appointment seems later. What gets in the mix is a theologian by the name of Christian Gottlob Wilke, but he wasn't a Büchsenmacher that I can find??

Gottlob must have attained the rank of Königl. Hofbüchsenmacher circa 1880?

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

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