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I guess it would be proper to view the >>S auch Schwertfeger<< phrase as Schwertmacher auch Schwertfeger????
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Well while under the COVID19 curtain, our astute Swedish connection has unearthed some info and corrects me as to the phrase >>S auch Schwertfeger<<, which shoudl be S(iehe) auch Schwertfeger. Sometimes Schwertfeger is seen spelled as Schwerdtfeger.
Info suggests that circa 1890 was the time period when Gottlob Wilcke was dubbed as a court supporter. Gottlob Wilcke is first noted as a Hof-Bchsenmacher in 1890 publications, which may take a year or two to be published. In 1880 he was a Bataillons-Bchsenmacher and I have seen the term >>Regimentsbchsenmacher<< tossed about. Gottlob Wilcke must have acquired his master gunsmith's sheepskin in the early 1870s as the 1st listing as his occupation being a Bchsenmacher is in 1872. Further, listings from 1800 till 1871 note not a one of the Stuttgart Wilcke's being involved in the manufacture of weapons. It could be that they were forever entangled with the craft of Schwertfeger until Gottlob Wilcke broke rank. So getting back to the longarm @ hand, it must have been delivered between 1890 & early 1893.
Regarding adornment, in the year 1890 there were 26 active engravers in the German town of Stuttgart. With one of them being the establishment S. Schiller & Sohn, having the title of Hofgraveur. Not all of the 26 talented craftsmen were engaged in the adornment of weapons. Also we find Paul Heckel as yet another Hofgraveur. Wilhelm Reinhardt, Hoflieferant, suggests when a longarm wears the term Hof-whatever that the task of the adornment was framed out to a mechanic, possibly a Hofgraveur, who was typical involved in the Hof realm.
Many thanks Peter.
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I for one would like to know more about the responsibilities of the >>Hofgraveur<<. And possibly who might have been in the number of the Suhl & Zella-Mehlis Hof-Graveurs.
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Raimey,
The term "fegen" means to sweep or clean, so that would fit your idea that they offered sword cleaning/sharpening services. This skill is very much like the gunmaking skill of polishing(polieren). An engraver would, in addition to engraving guns, make the stamps used for marking various products including guns. Stamps are/were used for numbers, letters, logos, touch marks, proof marks, etc. They could also make the "plates" for different styles of printing ( art prints, money, advertising, etc), or molds for decorative casting, and stampings like pewter plates. Like other skills, many specialized in certain types of work, but need might require they take in other work. With modern equipment, there is no doubt that much of this work is automated now. Mike
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I somewhat miss-read what Peter had sent me so he again put me on the straight & narrow. In short that a retailer who has purchased the title of Hof typically supplies some Court and for the most part doesn't add any effort to package as it is delivered to the end user. That some actually paid the royal dubbin' fee but never did actually provide anything to a court and used it just for advertising purposes. And there were some that continued to use the title and protocol well into the Weimar Republic period.
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Last edited by Gunwolf; 04/02/20 05:16 PM.
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https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=7737410The adornment on this one for sure is not that of Hugo Kolb. Looks like Zella-Mehlis and I would say the >>1892<< on the underside of the left tube is a date. AW was a Z-M mechanic. I do wonder when the calibres were stamped and by whom? Cheers, Raimey rse
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Interesting how they refer to the action / lockup:
>>Lancaster T-Verschluss<<
>>T-Riegel-Verschluss mit Unterhebel unter dem Abzugsbgel<<
Too all of these are in the 1890-early 1893 time frame. Did he retail Jones Underlever variants only?
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