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got this a while back, and again the quarantine gives me time to look at things. it is 28 ga smooth bore, chambers measure 2.5" with my gauge. and under barrel was said to be a 22 hornet, and a hornet chambers easily. but I am a little spooked, after the drilling episode, and I can do a chamber cast if needed



beautiful lightweight little thing.

flip up rear sight and an unusual 'platform ' that may be for a scope...not like ones I have seen before:







and these are the markings:









what do you see?

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Can you pleasure us with a better image of the above, specifically around the >>35 / 184<< area?

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let me try right now


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hope this is better


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I can imagine that it would be a light dandy gun. Very nice. I love guns that have wood running the full length.

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There are 3 different cartridges based on the same or similar cases and this can be a little confusing, but there is no reason to get spooked over them. First was the 22 Winchester Center Fire, a black powder 22 caliber cartridge. Then the Germans adopted it , loaded it with smokeless powder and a jacketed bullet at a higher velocity; and named it 5.6x35R Vierling( it was used in the small caliber barrel of many 4 barrel guns). The third is the 22 hornet which was also developed from the 22WCF case , and loaded to even higher velocity than the Vierling, necessitating higher pressures. Because of the higher pressures, the rim on the Hornet was thickened to prevent use in older, weaker rifles. The Germans call it 22 Hornet, usually, but when written in the metric system, it is 5.6x36R Hornet. The markings on your rifle, indicate it was chambered for 5.6x35R Vierling( 5.4 is the bore[not groove or bullet] diameter, and the 35 is the case length, the "R" is not shown because it is obvious from the extractor). If it will close on a 22 Hornet cartridge, then the rim recess has been deepened ( a good many have been). You have a very nice and fun combination gun that would have been used as a Schoenzeitgewehr to control predators during the "off season" when game animals are having and raising young. You don't need to make a chamber cast, just see it will close easily, or bind on a Hornet case. You should also "slug" the bore since they often used smaller than .224" bullets( smaller bullets are available). I happen to have a sxs combination gun in 24 ga. and 5.6x35R Vierling. After adjusting rim thickness on 50 cases and ordering .223" bullets, I am able to load cartridges using my existing 22 Hornet loading dies and shell holder. I load it to about 2350 fps and have an awful lot of fun with it. Your gun would be the same, except you can find 28 ga. cheaper than 24 ga. and it will be easier to have a scope mounted on it. You are very lucky to have found it- enjoy.
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once again, I thank you ! just tried and it wont fully close on the standard 22 hornet round, so a little adaption is needed. is it better to modify cases, or would it be okay to have a gunsmith modify the gun?

do the European cases work without modification ?

also, what sort of scope arrangement works with this base? I have 2 drillings with claw mounts and one with dovetail type, but don't think I have seen this type before

I really appreciate your help !

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I must admit I am prejudiced against rechambering these fine old guns and believe they should be preserved when possible( I'm a wildcatter on the other hand). It is not my gun, however, and as long as I insist on being the one that decides what happens to my guns, I have to say you have that right too. Alaska is full of 22 Hornets, but I doubt if there are very many 5.6x35Rs there. European 5.6x35R cases will work without modification, European Hornet cases will not. The 5.6x35R is pretty rare in Germany now and if cases can be found they may be Berdan primed. I load with two different size Berdan primers, but I'm not sure if you can find the size required for this cartridge. Thinning the Hornet rims from the back and deepening the primer pocket with a primer pocket uniformer is pretty quick and easy, and wipes the incorrect headstamp off at the same time. Thinning from the front would require making a spigot to locate and hold the cases to reach the front of the rim. To be efficient, you would need a lathe for either method. A lathe ( and mill) is a requirement of life any way. You can buy cases already modified, Bertram might make new ones, or you might have a machinist friend that would do them for you if you can't do it.
You should be able to have a set of "Tip off" rings modified to fit your base, if you can't find a set with the correct size dovetail. If you buy a set of extra high rings, there should be enough room to mill the bottoms off and cut the correct size dovetail and relocate the clamp. You would bump the front one against the buttress at the front of the base, and "stop" the rear one with the groove in the base.
The "mission" of the 5.6x35R has largely been taken over by the 22 Hornet, 22 Magnum Rim Fire, and 17 Rim Fire Magnum, so un-molested guns are getting harder and harder to find.
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I will look for someone selling modified cases. buffalo arms has some [ but is out of stock currently ] that are cases modified to be 22 wcf - those should be usable.

I don't have a lathe or the knowledge [ I am a physician and good with my hands but not in this manner ]

I do have a friend with a lathe, and once modified the cases should last quite a while [ I really would like to make loads that are ballistic equivalent of 22 magnum at most ]

I was wondering it tip off mounts would work and I do have a lot of those [ they are in anchorage, and I am in isolation out here at the lake in the valley.. but maybe soon I can go to town and look for them ]

thanks again, you are knowledgeable and logical and practical
and that is the kind of advice I needed.


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