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Chokes are not going to make that much difference.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Chokes are not going to make that much difference.


I agree. I believe that chokes are more psychological then anything else. I have a Midland and a Churchill that I use a lot for clays and both are full. They break clays close and far if I do my part. I have a Fox that is at the other end and does the same. We generally miss by feet, not inches.

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I concur whole heartedly. It may be heresy: but as long as one tube is toward the open side of the scale and the other tube is toward the constricted end of the scale then the gun will accomplish its task as intended. Gadgets such as chokes, sights and the like don't make better shots and can't overcome a miss. Well stated above(probably meters in lieu of feet) that most misses result from an overlap of the extreme fringe area of the pattern and the intended target. Also, Full & Full does take a little more effort, but you will become a much better shotgunner.

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If we all shot like Digby I am sure we could get away with Full & Full (and a lot of puréed game) but as it is not the case, open is better.

Mr. Garwood makes a great case about this in several of his articles. Interesting read.
I recommend it.

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Were the gun mine and I were contemplating the uses mentioned, I'd either leave it alone (easy to do) or consider opening the right barrel to about .007 sk2 or maybe .005. skt and leaving the left barrel alone at its current .018 IM. That combination is close to a lightweight Parker I currently own, which I find makes the gun suitable for most anything.

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It's a 20 rather than a twelve and going by the book gives less constriction for a nominal designation in 20 as opposed to 12. 4 pts. is Sk1, 6 pts. is IC, 9 pts. is Sk2, 19 pts. is IM. Less shot but who needs more than 7/8 oz for skeet. Given the light barrelwgt and the tendency of the gun to move ahead and fall back like every day's the equinox, it would be too tight for me but I think you should combine the shoot it a while approach with JayCee's prescription of not knowing what the constrictions are by converting to metric, writing them down, and then forgetting them. At 35$ the tube for Orlen to open them, I probably wouldn't be considering 500$ worth of Briley thinwalls. I,d probably be stingy and not touch the left barrel as I can't imagine four easier shots with a small pattern than the four outgoers on doubles, two of which are straitaway and two of which can be "straitened out" giving practically no lead. For the other 21 maybe ream out the right to 7 or 8 pts. like Chuck says and single load.

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JayCee:

Do tell. Give us a source or reference for additional reading.

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Personally, I'm kicking myself for opening up a gun too much--I opened to skeet 1 and light mod, and find that it's not tight enough even for the 5-stand setup near me or for open-country hunting over my flushing dog, although it's perfect for skeet and grouse/woodcock (who NEVER seem to give me the option of "waiting a few yards till they get out a bit"). If I did it over again I'd open to a regular old IC and Mod (.007 and .018 according to me)...open enough for regular old me to hit stuff with at closer range, and out a bit more....and for bayonet-range woodcock just use spreaders and/or soft shot cheepie loads.
At less than $50 a barrel, you can open it up more if it's still too tight--but much harder to add more choke again if it's not to your liking.

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If you reload, then use up a case of X-Wad spreaders before you decide on any choke work.

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My ref was the Briley website chart.

But back to thinwall chokes; I'd give a lot of consideration to those comments about not screw-choking this gun. In todays market, this seems to be a big detractor to buyers. However, as always, it's your gun and your choice. But nevertheless, if you use it as is or even open the chokes to your best guess for your uses, you can always have it screw-choked later. Why leap to a point if you can simply stroll there?

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