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Hello, I have a c.1890 Henry Atkin sidelever/sidelock and it has a curious engraving of a sheaf or wheat or grain on the stock oval. Has anyone seen this before? Is there a meaning to it?




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Hello, I have a c.1890 Henry Atkin sidelever/sidelock and it has a curious engraving of a sheaf or wheat or grain on the stock oval. Has anyone seen this before? Is there a meaning to it?

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maybe this...

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Nope - can't get it to open.

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As family crests go, the garbe (also garb or wheat-sheaf), banded, is a distinctive one in heraldry terms. That's the good news.

The bad news is that a lot of families are noted as using it, or using variations of it, as per Fairbairn's Book of Crests of the Families of Great Britain and Ireland, 4th Ed., London, 1905.:



The fact that it is within a circle (roundle?) may help narrow it down. Knowing the actual colours of the family crest would be best, but impossible in this case.

I'm afraid that doesn't narrow it down very much at all. Do you have any information on the history of the gun, past owners?

Beautiful gun, by the way!

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Thank you! I was told it was originally ordered by the 15th Marquess of Winchester, Augustus Paulet in 1890... I am trying to verify through Atkin, Grant & Lang.


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I have a Woodward that has a crescent moon in the oval . The gun was ordered by the Earl of a Westmoreland . Nothing in the family seal or coat of arms had a crescent moon . I found, and wish I had it now, a list of single symbols . The crecent moon turns out to represent “ the first son “‘. In my case it was ordered in 1890 . In 1890 the 12 Earl was living but died 3 years later . The 13 Earl , his first son, was in the second tier of great shooters in the “Olly “ Book on Ripon . It is assumed that the gun was ordered for his son and marked to identify the gun in the gun room , at driven shoots, and for those who cleaned the gun, one of many handled by the cleaners , as belonging to the 13th Earl by quick Identification .
It would not surprise me that your symbol was similar . If you can find that list the sheif might represent a Second or third , or so on , son or other relative in the household.,

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Is this what you are referring to...?

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The only family crest description that I can find for the Marquis of Winchester is a `Falcon displayed` etc.

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RDD... yes , you found it . So it does not answer your question . Thanks as well for finding it .

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Not finding anything depicting a sheaf...


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