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The rising bite reminds me of an upscale Manufrance Ideal. Also in the Ideal vain, could the breech circles be relics from removed loaded indicators? Maybe some German gunsmith was Ideally inspired.

Markus

Lovely pun. Hum, I looked @ Ithaca's offerings and paused @ the Knick but it just might be some >>Ideal<< variant?

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=280646

Cheers,

Raimey
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How would you know who did the Engraving, from the fotos the seller presented. Emil Flues lived in Saginaw, MI-- the Emile Flues mentioned, I am not sure. Der Fuchs

I believe Mr.FLUES lived in several locations throughout his life and Buffalo was one of the places he resided.

This particular rising bite EF Flues shotgun is in fact engraved by Flues...which sort of dates it before c1919 shortly after his association with Rudolph Kornbrath began to grow...My guess is it was made just after Newton Rifle Corp hit the skids...surely this gun was made on Seneca St...the person has it listed as Kornbrath engraved but it's not, it's far rarer but maybe not more desirable than Kornbrath engraved ...it will be interesting to see when Haille Selassi's gun surfaces whether it's Flues engraved or Kornbrath engraved...there was a discussion here sometime back about what Flues engraving looked like...well here it is for all to see.......seems to me there was one report that Flues worked for Baker Gun Co, as an engraver, between his hitch with Ithaca, which ended c1909 and his hitch with Newton Rifle Corp which began c1915...yes...this means Emil was friends and associates of Charles Newton, Fred Adolph, Roudolph Kornbrath, Frank Hollenbeck, as well as Selassi (aka Ras Tafali...and all at the same time1918-1922...I wish the gun was mine

Robert,
Welcome back, I hope you are well.

I think Flues finished off a bunch of guns just to make a living.
Various forms pop up every so often.

Always nicely finished.

https://sites.google.com/site/iroquoisarmscollectors2/home/emil-flues-buffalo-ny

good look at some flues guns.

Nice flues engraving the top or first overunder is much different then the rest it's much nicer looks like a different hand.mc

Clapper,
Thank you...your observation is correct...Flues did in fact finish off many guns...one Marlin and one Ballard...and at least 62 Parker upgrades for a guy named Brobiel (?SP) of Brobiel & Canazzi marina at the historic Commodore Perry site...it has also been reported that he did many Parker upgrades for members of the Cherry Hill Country Club (Canada)...all this took place from c1930 - 1948 when he was found collapsed at the bus stop across from his shop on Niagara St...his shop was a two story bldg attached to Brobiel & Canazzi Marina..Paul Brobiel told me that when his father died (Emil's 18 year employer) that he sold 62 "fake" Parkers and one real Parker to one southern California person" Which we now call Pachmyer upgrades...at least some of them....None of the guns discussed here are of imported actions...when Flues imported an action it was the whole gun, German proof marks and all, it's a well known fact that when Flues was crowded out of Ithaca Gun Co in 1909 that a Ithaca executive provided him with a good supply of Krupp steel barrels so that he could resume his livelihood as before he was asked to uproot his family and move to Ithaca...the gun being discussed...hope this link works...

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...un_id=101375626

note the ejector axles on the left and right sides of the fore end wood is like Linder's steel eye ejector axles also note that the Manufrance Ideals rising bite is controlled by a trigger bow lever and this Flues shotgun is top lever lock up...a complete departure from the Manufrance design...I think the Ideal rising bite
lock up is older than this gun

Hi Robert. Nice to see you posting.

First production of the MF Ideal design was 1888.