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#574566 - 06/29/20 04:13 PM How would you respond to this statement?
J.B.Patton Offline
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The comment below was in regard to a two barrel set ( 20 ga / 28 ga) 1919 manufactured J.P.Sauer & Sohn Meisterwerk model 60 ( final step up from a grade 45- like a grade 375 Daly)
Does the “ high grade engineering “ of a pre war Sauer sidelock ( not a high grade) make it “ one of the best SxS double guns ever produced ?... but this gun, being a lowly boxlock, relegates it to a “ never to be achieved” quality level?


Reference statement begins here:

“ No offense taken, this particular gun is very nice, however it is a simple box lock gun, not a Best Side Lock gun. Although this gun is very very nice in reality it is not a best Side Lock German gun, no matter when it was made who who made it, the great engineering on this gun happens to be the Krupp barrels, both 20 and 28 gauge as indicated by Raimey. As I said before I would still love to own it. I own a couple Box Lock Combo Guns, and use them quite a bit, especially with the 28 barrels. There is nothing unusual about a J.P. Sauer Best Side Lock double gun, it's just very high grade engineering including the incredible Krupp Barrels, simply one of the Best made SXS Double guns ever produced. There has never been and never will be, a box lock best double gun, no matter who made it or when, the engineering is just not there to make it a best gun. Even the Westley Richards box lock or the LeFever box lock fine double guns, as much as I love them both, are not best guns, and neither is the nice combo gun we are talking about. “
Pine Creek Dave

Best regards,
JBP

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#574567 - 06/29/20 04:30 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
Drew Hause Offline
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Just let it go. Dave B. has a well established reputation for falsification, fabrication, and faux expertise; and has had some medical problems.

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#574569 - 06/29/20 05:23 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
J.B.Patton Offline
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Sound advice from a respected source.
That was my initial thought too.
Best regards,
JBP

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#574570 - 06/29/20 05:27 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
Recoil Rob Offline
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Somewhere on the hard drive in my head I think I remember reading that had the A&D boxlock been invented first they never would have gotten around to developing sidelocks.
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#574571 - 06/29/20 05:43 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
ClapperZapper Offline
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My response would be “be polite to Dave”.

On the point of disagreement?
I lean toward what the marketplace decides.

Curiously, I’ve never heard a discussion by continental gun collectors regarding this question from a continental collectors perspective.

As the US are predominantly anglophiles, perhaps Germans are mostly Prussophiles?

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#574573 - 06/29/20 06:24 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
RARiddell Offline
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Was this on the 28ga society? Seems the only board left for him.

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#574579 - 06/29/20 07:11 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
old colonel Offline
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With laughter and amusement, unfortunately no different than horses and used cars there are gun salesmen who lack something ( truth ) or have too much ( B.S ). You could contact them directly and question the statement’s validity, but you are likely wasting your time. If you are concerned that someone on that board lacks knowledge and may be deceived, then start a thread elsewhere on the board on what constitutes a best gun in the marketplace and What is not.

We can’t fix everything regardless of right.
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#574587 - 06/29/20 09:55 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
Joe Wood Offline
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So, am I to understand that, as an example, a Lindner Daly Diamond or Regent grade are not and never can be “best” guns? Give me a break!

Agreed, just let it go.....stupidity is the one disease that has never had a cure.
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#574590 - 06/29/20 10:42 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: RARiddell]
canvasback Offline
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Originally Posted By: RARiddell
Was this on the 28ga society? Seems the only board left for him.


He has become a dominant poster over 16 Gauge Society.


Edited by canvasback (06/29/20 10:43 PM)
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#574591 - 06/29/20 11:09 PM Re: How would you respond to this statement? [Re: J.B.Patton]
J.B.Patton Offline
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Shotgun world/
“ I love my German guns” forum
1919 Sauer topic

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