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#5754 10/14/06 06:10 PM
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So as not to mess up the original thread about finding things under the buttplate I started this one.

This note was found under the buttpad of my Maynard .44-100 Long Range Creedmoor rifle. The note and many years of research lead to a 1997 Gun Digest article about the rifle.



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The buttpad was fitted by A.O. Niedner, a gunsmith in Dowagiac. Dr. F.W. Mann gave the rifle to Niedner, Mann got it from E.A. Leopold’s family after he died. Not many folks know these names today.

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If these pictures are too big I'll remove them and just post the links.


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Michael,

I have relatives, and spent much of my youth in and abouts Dowagiac. Finch Lake. Relatives still live there, any idea on the correct spelling of the fitter?

AAAAnnnd yes, right about now it's hitting me....the "A E Leopold" seems crystal clear!!!
(Can't be THE "AL", can it?!)

"A G Neidmer"?

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Mark
Postoak: Dr. Mann authored, "The Bullet's Flight", I may be a little off on the title, but it is a great book on exterior ballistics.


TW:Great photographs! Would like to know more about their origin, the tales & tails.
TW,

I don’t want to hijack the thread so if enough folks have an interest I’ll move this to a new one.

Dr. Mann, Leopold, Niedner and Dr. Baker were four people who had a large influence on the modern high-speed accurate rifle before WWI. Any shooting magazine from these days had something in it about one or more of them. I collected information on a large scale on Mr. Niedner and a lot on the others as well. I am also lucky enough to have acquired a least one rifle that was owned by each of the four, I’m still shooting the Niedner-Borchardt that Dr. Baker is holding in the picture.

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Reb 87 MP,
Please start the thread!!!


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MP; Pics were great for me & I'm on dial-up. I recall most of those names (from reading of them) & have a copy of F W Mann's "The bullet's Flight". Very interesting post, thanks.


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Too bad Mr. Leopold didn't put the recipe for his famous bullet lube under the butt plate. It was considered to be the best by many riflemen of the day, but the secret apparently died with its maker.

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Very cool. Not a bunch I'd want to play cards with...


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Michael Petrov :The correct title to F.W.Mann's book is
"The Bullet's Flight from Powder to Target" with a sub-title of "The Internal and External Ballistics Of Small Arms"
There is yet another explanation on the Title Page as follows"A Study of Rifle Shooting with the Personal Element Excluded Disclosing the Cause of The Error At Target.
The book as originally published by Munn & Co in New York in 1909.
Wolfe republished it in 1980
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>about those tails that Mr. Leopold is wearing ?

>and the rear elevator/height adjustor for the scope I can easily understand, but how did the front mount pivot? Do you know?

>and the cartridge the Borchart is chamberd for? Were you lucky enough to get the cartridege or was Dr. Baker using more than one as it would appear his counterparts were. Is that a cartridge bag he is carrying?

Sorry for all the questions, but you know that I am interested in this stuff & the lore.

BTW, for others who may also be interested in the rifles of recent old and their builders .. I have found Michael's recent book most interesting and will own up to having read it more than just once. His approach is straight forward, unpretentious and genuinely interesting. I'd bet there are at least one or more members here who might add a bit of knowledge about some of the builders mentioned in it. Its a bolt gun book mostly, "Custom Gunmakers of the 20th Century. ISBN 1-931220-21-2 (hardcover)

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Originally posted by Glenn Fewless:
Too bad Mr. Leopold didn't put the recipe for his famous bullet lube under the butt plate. It was considered to be the best by many riflemen of the day, but the secret apparently died with its maker.

Glenn
Glenn,

I’m not sure why the lube formula is still missing, I have heard several times over the years that folks have some of it, found in old shooting kits. I keep thinking someone will have it analyzed, but as of today nothing. Might be the cost is too high or the components are no longer available.


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Quote:
Originally posted by Distel:
Michael Petrov :The correct title to F.W.Mann's book is
"The Bullet's Flight from Powder to Target" with a sub-title of "The Internal and External Ballistics Of Small Arms"
There is yet another explanation on the Title Page as follows"A Study of Rifle Shooting with the Personal Element Excluded Disclosing the Cause of The Error At Target.
The book as originally published by Munn & Co in New York in 1909.
Wolfe republished it in 1980
Best Regards
Gene
Gene:

Thanks, I have a copy(s) of his book but I’m sure others may not have heard of it.


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