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So was the Berthon Frères using the trademark >>Gallia<< prior to June 11th, 1912? Or would the longarm date to 1912?

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We've established that the change back to mm to measure chambers from cm in Saint-Étienne occurred in 1912. We don't know exactly when. But:
-- it was definitely 1912 per dated Didier Drevet barrels
-- On the Darne number chart (Ted will caution about exceptions) it happened just around serial C600-700 (1912 per the chart):
. . . . . . .- C692, a 12 gauge with a chamber stamp "6.5".
. . . . . . .- C643, a 20 gauge with a chamber stamp "70".

Now if Berthon Frères trademarked "Canons Gallia" on 11 Jun 1912...then you've likely dated your gun to within a couple of months - summer 1912. (And incidentally we've established that the changeover to mm was after 11 June 1912).

Raimey, you and I were thinking the same thing. I suppose it's possible he was using Canons Gallia before the trademark...but....heck...lets date the gun.

David, the common idea in gun scholarship is that it's darned difficult to date a Saint-Étienne gun - there are no French dating stamps. But by chance, dating your gun doesn't get much better than this.

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The Internet is full of information on its former owner, who brought it back from Europe in 1945: Col. Walter D. Buie, West Point 1920.

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Originally Posted By: Argo44
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Raimey, you and I were thinking the same thing. I suppose it's possible he was using Canons Gallia before the trademark...but....heck...lets date the gun......


Argo44:

Like minds from Alabama do think alike from time to time....


Cheers,

Raimey
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