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Here is Tom's post with pictures.

This gun was a Gunbroker purchase 5-6 years ago. The posted photos were poor and the seller, a New England antique shop, stated the gun did not work. I figured someone had likely removed the hammer springs, as I�ve encountered that issue with SAC guns before; so I thought I�d take a chance at the $400 listing price. As it turns out, there were no other bidders. When the gun was received I was extremely pleased with what I saw; stock finishes were at least 95%, there was zero wear to the butt plate, grip and forend checkering panels, zero rust, mint bores, perfectly aligned and untouched screw slots (except for a missing tang screw), the barrels retained 85-90% original Damascus finish, and the gun still featured about 30% original case color. And in addition to those desirable traits, it had been ordered with a capped pistol grip; a $2 option according to period catalogs (standard was a round knob grip). Features and serial number dated this gun to 1900, and as a First Model. It was an extractor model (so $52 suggested retail with grip cap option); and the flattened breech ball treatment, as opposed to the standard rounded breech balls, denoted this SAC as a light weight gun. The butt stock was basically plain grained English with a few dark mineral streaks; and when I removed the butt plate to look for a stash of gold coins, I found it had been factory drilled with two 7/8� holes to either attain a certain weight or balance point, or both. Interestingly, both holes had been plugged with a piece of maple dowel; and in one of those pieces was the missing tang screw; so the gun was now totally complete and original, and had suffered no aftermarket mods. With its short 26� barrels, light weight, and open chokes I figured this SAC was originally ordered as someone�s grouse gun; but whether it had been or not, the gun was simply never used. I�ve not yet fired this gun so have no idea how it performs; but that�s only because circumstances haven�t yet permitted.

When collecting SAC guns one will encounter very few examples of the Grade 3, but the company would go the second mile to insure a Grade 3 customer was happy, The only original SAC hang tag of which I�m aware is from a Grade 3, and apparently the customer was very persnickety about the way his gun was to pattern using a variety of shot sizes; for on that tag were hand written the 40 yard patterns/pellet counts produced from each barrel with all three shot sizes. Another interesting Grade 3 SAC fact is that the company made a special run of Grade 3�s with Krupp barrels and I�ve owned one example and seen one other. All the SAC catalogs I�ve ever found only show the Grade 3 gun as being available with �Improved Damascus� barrels.

Syracuse Arms Co. was one of the few U.S. makers to use a "Washington" pattern; also called Ferlacher Austria 1, Bresilien, and Wellington by Manufacture Liegeoise

Claude Gaier's Four Centuries of Liege Gunmaking discusses the connection between US and Belgian firms. Ernest Heuse-Lemoine (1834-1926) from Nessonvaux was a major barrel maker in the Vesdre Valley maintaining agents in London, Birmingham, and New York. Every 3 years he would travel abroad and upon his return, would be met by a band in celebration because he always came back with more orders than his own firm could handle. He would then distribute some of the work to smaller barrel makers. Gaier states that Heuse-Lemoine supplied damascus barrels for at least 50 years to US makers, and that he invented the names of �Boston� and �Washington� damascus especially for the American market.

This is a refinished SAC "Washington". Remington called the pattern "Washington N 3. B.P." and unfortunately I don't believe anyone knows the significance of "N 3. B.P"



Note there are tiny rectangles within the scrolls; NOT crosses as with "American Flag", used a lot by Ithaca. Bro. Walt's Crass 4E



The "Star" or "American Flag" lopin is bottom left; the "Washington" is the 3rd on bottom



SAC barrels:
The hammer gun (first offered in 1904) was cataloged with �Triplett Steel� only, but several examples have been recorded with �New Twist� barrel tubes.
Grade 00 "Triplet Steel" (first offered in 1901);
Grade 0 and Grade 1 "New Twist";
Grade 2 and 3 "Improved Damascus"; (a few examples have been located with Krupp Steel barrels);
Grades A and A-1 Special Trap "Fine Damascus" or optional Krupp Steel;
Grade B and Grade C "Finest Grade Damascus" or optional Krupp Steel.
In the 1902 catalog, a new B Grade engraving style was introduced and the Damascus barrel was upgraded from "Fine Quality Damascus" to "Finest Grade Damascus".
Grade C guns were furnished with the "Finest Grade of Damascus Steel of very fine figure, fully warranted".
The D Grade gun, which retailed in 1901 for $475, was shipped with "the finest Grade of Damascus Steel Barrels that can be obtained" or "Whitworth Fluid Compressed Steel".

This is Bro. Tom's Grade 2 SAC; possibly a salesman's sample gun?
The right barrel has the "New Twist" pattern; but is roll-stamped "Improved Damascus". The left barrel is "Washington" and correct to grade.

For Bro. Tom

A Grade 3E full page ad from a 1903 edition of Recreation
In 1903 SAC made their �full pistol� grip (�S� shaped knob) standard on the Grade 3 gun. Prior to 1903 the ball grip was standard on a Grade 3 gun; whereas previously, the Grade A gun had been the lowest grade shipped standard with their �full pistol� grip.



The only SAC gun I�ve definitively able to date is this Grade 3 factory presentation gun. The inscription in the small gold shield reads �Presented by Syracuse Arms Co. Won by H.D. Kirkover June 1900�.



This gun retained very little original finish and plain wood, so wasn�t much to look at; but had good dimensions and easily took a limit of doves the only time I took it afield.

H.D. Kirkover was a well known competitor from Buffalo then Fredonia, N.Y. I believe he was the Secy. of the Audubon Park Gun Club in Buffalo
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/46664/rec/5

In 1897 Kirkover ordered a straight grip BH Parker with 30" barrels.

June 19, 1898 he was listed as a paid Professional Representative but I couldn't find the company; possibly Parker
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/43905/rec/30

January 28, 1898 high gun at Hamilton, Ontario and living in Fredonia, N.Y.
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/44432/rec/21

1898 using a Parker
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/44346/rec/22

Competed at the 1899 GAH
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/43581/rec/27
Using a Parker with U.M.C. Trap shells, 1 1/4 oz. with 3 1/2 Dr.Eq. DuPont Bulk
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/43584/rec/27

Participated in the March 1900 Madison Square Garden rooftop match
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/43481/rec/41

Competed at the 1900 GAH
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/43039/rec/44
Again with a Parker using Winchester Leader shells
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/42953/rec/45

He was the high gun at the Audubon Club Decoration Day shoot in 1900 and although not mentioned in the Sporting Life report, could have been awarded the gun then
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/42974/rec/47

He did compete at the New York State shoot June 1900, representing the Buffalo Audubon Club, but I didn't find him listed as winning any merchandise
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/43073
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/43076


And as to the question of original condition and the looks of low end SAC guns, please consider this near �new� Grade O gun owned by one of our members



And my near �new� Grade OO gun and doves

The March 1900 Forest & Stream advertised a Parker Bros. calendar showing �eminent shooters� which included Kirkover
https://books.google.com/books?id=UkohAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA218
�The calendar for 1900 issued by Parker Brothers, Meriden, Conn., is adorned with a number of new portraits of eminent shooters, with condensed records of their marvelous doings in 1899 with the Parker gun. Grouped around an excellent portrait of Charles Parker are those of Messrs'. S.A. Tucker, Capt. A.W. du Bray, John Parker, W.F. Parker, C.W. Budd, E.C Griffith, W.A. Hammond, Fred Gilbert, O. R. Dickey, F.D. Alkire, G.R. Hunnewell, J.R. Malone, Harold Money, C.F. Ridge, C.E. Robbins, H.W. Brown, A.B. Cartledge, C.M. Powers, J.F. Jordan, F. H. Snow, H.D. Kirkover, E.E. Neal, J.H. Mackie, H.G. Wheeler, A.H. Frank, C.M. Hostetter, A.H. Fox, F.E. Sinnock, Sim Glover and Col. J. T. Anthony.�

Here he is in 1913
https://archive.org/details/rodguncan15cana/page/306/mode/2up?q

He was quite the sportsman, and still at it in 1916
https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll17/id/24100/