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Raimey - good information on W. Foerster. Does the stated business term of 1801-1883 influence our 1909 best estimate date of manufacture for this example? Or could the situation be similar to that of Mr. and Mrs. Kleszczewski/Kleszewski where a relative continues the trade under Foerster's name?
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No, it should not change anything. As long as there was a Büchsenmacher on staff & registered with the Verband Deutscher Büchsenmacher, just like any professional today, the business could & would continue whether it be a wife, son, nephew, son-in-law, etc. But info on Wilhelm Förster has been so elusive for the number and rank of his clients. Wilhelm Förster evidently had several royal appointments.
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Ian:
I may have confused you with the dates of fella Carl. Hof-Büchsenmacher des Kaisers und Königs Wilhelm Förster hung out his gunmaking shingle in 1861 and in a short 10 years in 1871(or so) he had a Royal Appointment. Was a Mauser outlet post 1884. In 1911, he celebrated 50 years of business and by 1925 Büchsemacher Paul Schmidt took the reins.
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Raimey - understood and thanks for that clarification. Straight grip stock another tip of the hat to English styling on this one. Best, Ian
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That Anson Pushrod forend, the word >>safe<< on the top tang and the general shape of the frame bolsters just may point to an origin in Liège? Although I haven't seen the touchmarks on the underside of the tubes near the lower rib.
Is there crosshatching on the muzzle or a menacing muzzle?
Now the straight hand stock looks to have quite a bit of drop?
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I'll photograph the muzzles when it arrives on Monday. In addition to the healthy amount of drop, the LOP was listed as 13.5." Assuming it was measured correctly and that the stock wasn't shortened sometime in the last 110 years, it seems like the original client could have been on the shorter side. 9.5x47R would have been a relatively mild black powder cartridge for driven boar further supporting the theory of a smaller statured original owner.
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Ian:
If that ruler is in Inches, that is an odd tube length for German rifled tubes @ 24 1/2" which would be 62+ cm? Or is the image just showing the drop?
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Raimey - No, that image was, in fact, attempting to depict the tube length. The odd part is that it is a length that isn't a whole integer of cm, right? Ian
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Correct. I measured a couple of sets & they are integer cm like say 65cm and of course it could well vary with calibre but should be integer cm. So, in my mind what this does is again point to say a gesteck or parts kit that was in English units? Belgian maybe, which could have easily rolled their tubes to integer English units of length. Too, I have read that Wilhem Förster did source the Brits but that is unsubstantiated for now.
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