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Beautiful and educational line, Steve....and it will be read again and again. Thanks.


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Agree with Argo. Each morning when I turn to the computer I look for the pinfire posts. Really the best of the best on Double Gunshop.

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Really interesting and enlightening. It's sparked my interest in looking out for more pin-fires; I only own one by Thomas Newton of Manchester. I asked a dealer friend who looks out for certain guns for me to tell me if he gets any pin-fires in only to be told that he had bought in three, all 16 bores one English and two continental for just Ł250 the lot but had sold them on. Drat! He knows better now! Thanks for all your hard work and please contact me when the book is available. Lagopus…..

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Thank you, Stephen.
As one of the silent followers of this thread I suspect like most that I had little to contribute and so we sat back to admire the examples you presented to us while learning about the origins of the modern sporting gun.
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Rainy-day boredom? Withdrawal? Or curiosity to see if squeezing in another post will take the thread over the 50,000-views mark?

I was taking a break and casually looking at the pinfires arranged on the wall, was reminded of a recent comment on another board concerning the Henry Jones under-lever. It is the most classic action design for pinfire game guns and later hammerguns, and it is ergonomically sleek or clumsy depending on one's point of view. Then I noticed that all Jones under-levers are not alike... Some have the projecting knurl aligned with the forward trigger, some with the rear trigger, some clearly in-between, and one was even behind the rear trigger. Maybe it has no real effect, as a shooter would get used to their gun regardless. But I found it interesting that I had never noticed the variation in the alignment of the knurl, and perhaps others hadn't either. So purely for interest's sake and an appreciation of the endless variability in British gunmaking, here are 30 Jones under-levers side-by-side for comparison.

If you look at numbers 2, 4 and 6, all are Boss & Co. guns, made roughly around the same time, and possibly by the same hands -- yet there are subtle differences. Purely cosmetic? Artistic licence? Perhaps. But it does make me wonder why there was no "standard" with respect to the design. Would a longer or shorter lever make a difference, or not? Or does the length, and shape, fall into the "just cause" category of design?

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PS. Yes, there appears to be variability in trigger shapes, too. Possibly the same as for the levers, i.e. no reason, just is.

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Were any single-trigger hammer doubles produced?

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Great collage Steve. I've just gone over an 1886 gun with a really good gunsmith and now start to understand what "hand-made" means. The "American System" didn't arrive in UK until the 1860's and not in Birmingham until the 1870's and it was more expensive than hand-filing.


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Originally Posted by Hal
Were any single-trigger hammer doubles produced?
No, the single triggers were on single-barrel guns. I don't know exactly when single triggers on doubles first appeared, but definitely after pinfires.

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I have seen them on double hammer guns but only on centre fires and very very rare at that! Lagopus…..

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Thanks Lagopus.

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