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1883 Hurlingham rules for Pigeon Shoots:


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Lots more vintage live action Pigeon (and trap) videos here
https://www.trapshooters.com/threads/vintage-live-action-trap-and-live-bird-shooting.514889/

This might be of interest also; Monte Carlo Le Tir aux Pigeons
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/24800261

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Madrid 1949 with Homer Clark winning the Live Bird World Championship, with an Ithaca NID 5E. He won again in 1951 at Monte Carlo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqLxi9uZGew

1961

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBJyBcFX3Jk

Undated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU-Jqs2ruu4

1945-1969

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWb5ugbFmyg


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Originally Posted By: Stan
Thanks for your input, Paul. I know that you have infinitely more first hand knowledge of the sport than I, and I respect your opinion highly. What I can't understand is the obvious large amounts of drop on these two specific guns, and the safeties.

Thanks for weighing in. I appreciate it.

SRH


Stanley

You seem to forget the American shooter of the day evidently liked a lot of drop and even some had enough sense to operate a safety.

Not so "obvious" now is it...


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Even before the turn-of-the-century U.S. Live Bird and Inanimate Target competitors specified dimensions very similar to those used today

In 1887, Parker Representative W.S. Perry ordered a C Grade 10g with a LOP of 14 3/8" and DAC 1 1/4” X DAH 2” (Courtesy of Bill Murphy)

The Art of Wing Shooting: A Practical Treatise on the Use of the Shotgun ...
William Bruce Leffingwell, 1895
http://books.google.com/books?id=e34EmE3tkfkC
'Capt.' John L. Brewer of Philadelphia.
“A gun for pigeon shooting should weigh from 7 1/2 to anywhere under 8 pounds. It should be heavy at the breech, with a long and very straight stock, having a drop from 2 to 2 1/2 inches at the butt. These straight stocks are desirable, because they cause one to shoot high, something which is essential, as there is a tendency to undershoot, and nearly every pigeon is missed by shooting under or behind.”

Fred Gilbert (1865-1928) was one of the world’s best known shooters from 1895-1915 and used a L.C. Smith to win the DuPont World’s Pigeon Shooting Championship in 1895 and the “E.C.” Inanimate Target Championship Cup in 1896. The “Fred Gilbert Specifications” were for a drop at comb of 1 3/8 inches; at the heel, 2 inches; length from trigger to heel, 14 1/4 inches; trigger to toe 14 1/2 inches; and trigger to center of butt 14 inches; with a full pistol grip and 30-inch full choke barrels.

In Feb. 1898, C.W. Budd received on consignment a Parker $400 AAH Pigeon Gun SN 87449 with 30” Whitworth barrels F/F and 2 7/8” chambers. LOP was 14” and DAH 2 1/4” with a pistol grip stock and no safety. It weighed 7# 12 oz.

Lots more here, including the dimensions used by 28 competitors at a shoot in 1901
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c7UkkNyMTZ9NAztILpzjSLKvgIneAw5i7eqkZ3d3Eno/preview

re: the OPs guns, it is quite possible the pigeons are simply embellishment on a game gun, with dimensions as desired by the purchaser

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