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NCA225, I found a Sterlingworth in Canada. Anyone have experience with having one shipped into the US? How complicated is it to have one imported to your FFL?
Can't help you there as I never had one imported. There are others here on the board who have so hopefully they will chime in on their experience.
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well, thanks king...nice to hear from you...hoping you will contenya...your entertaining wisdom, experience and style is missed here... I don't think King was referring to you ed, but those are kind words anyways.
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No-Joe- that was the Ithaca Flues designs-- But the best double for the $ today is a Ithaca NID- I bought one (Grade 2E 12-30" DT from Brad Bachelder 6 years ago-love it-foolproof- Brad told me the action, frame,trigger(s) were of the same quality as a M21- and I do own a M21 as well. I'd stay away from Parkers, L.C. Smiths, but the Ithaca made Lefever box locks are good guns. Double triggers and std extractors are also best for your entry level double- and make sure the stock dims fit your size. RWTF No, it was not. jOe has a good memory, and there were several photos posted of Fox frames that had cracked. Drew may or may not have the files at this late date. The Foxes in question may or may not have had restoration work, such as re-case coloring, done to them. The questions were never answered in a satisfactory manner. We had yelling, back and forth, but, the pictures were all we really had, and I seem to think it was four or five different guns. The cracked frame sub gauge Flues guns are fairly well documented, along with the reasons. We never got to that point with the Foxes. Best, Ted
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Geo, so the lefever would be more difficult to find parts / repair .
NCA225, I found a Sterlingworth in Canada. Anyone have experience with having one shipped into the US? How complicated is it to have one imported to your FFL?
Thanks guys for the great insight. This is what I was looking for.
Eddie. Ball park $300 plus 3-5 months to get it imported. Don't bother. I've done it numerous times on higher value guns. But I would agree on the Fox Sterlingworth 12 ga. My second choice would be a Remington 1894 (or 1900). Classic A & D boxlock. On average the cheapest of the big American makers.
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225, jes sos you knows, ah have not given up on youse...still waitin fur duh day youse will post positively here mostly, on dis here fine doublegun forum... or mebbee not ah tawl...
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225, jes sos you knows, ah have not given up on youse...still waitin fur duh day youse will post positively here mostly, on dis here fine doublegun forum... or mebbee not ah tawl... Ed look above. All I did was correct your misunderstaning. If you wish to find that insulting thats your choice.
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Rare Flues cracked frame, and mostly the small gauges. This is a 12  Exceedingly rare cracked Sterlingworth, which I agree would be an excellent choice for a vintage double. The market is loaded with them, and none are damascus barreled  Ithaca NIDs are solid guns and bargains ANY vintage double will require a careful evaluation by a double gun specialist; with the interest, expertise and equipment (bore scope and wall thickness gauge) to do the job. Many will require repair of hidden cracks at the head of the stock. Some will have 3" DAH.
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So it's okay if someone corrects your misunderstanding? Elsies, are very nice but be careful as you no doubt researched, they are very prone to getting cracks behind the lock plates. I have 2, my Granddad's 12Ga. and 20Ga. FW. The 12Ga. still has the original stock with no cracks and the I had the 20 restocked to fit me. It did have a crack in the original stock. I suspect if you are going to use your own reloads, and Elsie with good wood would hold up well to low pressure reloads. Pressure (chamber) has nothing to do with how well old wood holds up to shooting. That is determined by recoil, which is not determined by shell pressure. Excessive chamber pressure stresses the action, affecting the barrel/action relationship. As you said, if you wish to find that insulting that's your choice. No insult intended. SRH
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Hello Fishsticker and welcome!
I think a good choice for an entry level double gun is the Ithaca Nitro Special. (often advertised as the Ithaca Lefever Nitro Special. The use of the Lefever name can be confused with the pre 1916 Syracuse Lefever-totally different animals) The Nitro is a simple basic gun-very reliable, comes in all the popular gauges, etc AND is quite inexpensive. By that I mean a solid 12 ga, 28 or more likely 30 inch barrels-selling in the neighborhood of 3 to 4 hundred dollars. Not much downside risk. The Nitro is also a "modern" gun in that it can handle current ammo and not plagued with frame cracking, etc.
Good luck on your choice.
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So it's okay if someone corrects your misunderstanding? Elsies, are very nice but be careful as you no doubt researched, they are very prone to getting cracks behind the lock plates. I have 2, my Granddad's 12Ga. and 20Ga. FW. The 12Ga. still has the original stock with no cracks and the I had the 20 restocked to fit me. It did have a crack in the original stock. I suspect if you are going to use your own reloads, and Elsie with good wood would hold up well to low pressure reloads. Pressure (chamber) has nothing to do with how well old wood holds up to shooting. That is determined by recoil, which is not determined by shell pressure. Excessive chamber pressure stresses the action, affecting the barrel/action relationship. As you said, if you wish to find that insulting that's your choice. No insult intended. SRH Not insulted at all Stan, but appreciative of the information. In past discussions it was generally thought that low pressure loads were best for older doubles. I had thought that one reason for that was that they were gentler on the old stocks. I guess low pressure doesn't necessarily mean low recoil.
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