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Originally Posted By: Tinker
Brent that rifle is looking good.
The aperture sight looks shop made, pretty cool detail.

Describe the shooting performance. Maybe we can put our heads together and help you get it running right on the targets.

Have you slugged the bore?
What loads have you tried?
Which bullets?


I'll have to get my books and check but a gas checked cast bullet (>210 gr, "Krag bullet") and 5744, which I do not like at all. Just isn't accurate.

The aperture sight is a Pacific sight.

The barrel is in beautiful condition and an original barrel with the rear sight screw holes very carefully and artfully filled. I didn't know they were there until I discovered it was an original barrel and started looking real hard to find them.

It has been a while since I have shot this gun, so I can't quote more details without finding my books


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Tinker, I never use a filler and the only time I have put anything above the powder was 1/16th of a sheet of Charmin 1/4 inch above 12 grains of Unique in a 45-70 (it didn't make much difference). The 30-40 was using Federal Large Rifle Match primers and I really should run it through the chronograph some time but I would guess somewhere just over 1600 fps.

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Brent,

I'm in agreement with you concerning 5744. Not accurate in any loads that I've tried. I favor H-108, AA#9, 2400 and 4227 powders.
I have an original 1899 Krag Carbine that I've shot successfully at our local military bolt action matches using 20.5 gr. of H-108 with 168 match bullets.
I've shot 10 shot groups of 2" +- using the issue sights as required by the match rules. Unfortunately, I used up my last jug of H-108 (no longer available) but AA#9 compares favorably.
Lately I've been using 4227 for both jacketed and cast bullets with very good results. I don't use any fillers with the powders mentioned as they are not position sensitive.
A word of caution: the powder charges for those powders mentioned are very small volume wise. A double charge could be easily overlooked so care should be taken in the loading process.


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Ken,
I have had severe powder position issues with 4227 in other cartridges. But tell me about 2400. I have some for a .38-40, but have not used it in anything else that I can think of. Someone posted 4198 = which sounds likely as well as 4895, perhaps? These seem to be less position sensitive than 4227 for me anyway.

I would really like a powder that fills the case easily, but that seems to be unlikely except for Trail Boss and I am not going there.


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Brent,

I should clarify that my loads are not suggested for hunting applications. A lot better choices exist for that.

My loads are either for rifle matches or casual bench plinking sessions where bullet facing up cartridges are loaded into the rifles directly from the load block. That said I don't make any great effort to ensure the powder is positioned at the base of the brass.

I have used 2400 in .308, 30-06, 30-30, and 32-40 but my most accurate loads have been with H-108 or AA#9. 2400 is a few ticks faster than AA#9.

4227 is my go to powder for my 38-55 Hi Wall. I've also used it in my 32-40 Hi Wall with excellent results but the nod goes to AA#9 for best accuracy in that gun. As previously stated it's working well in the 30-40.

I've stayed away from using 4198 and 4895 just because I'm lazy and don't like the way they meter but undoubtedly they are excellent powders.

I've experimented with Trail Boss in .458's, 416's, 405's etc. Not a fan. Yes, you can fill up a case with it and the recoil is mild, but in my experience the accuracy is lacking.


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I use both 2400 and 4198 in old straight walled cases. Both are great powders, with good accuracy. For the larger cases I prefer 4198 over 2400, as it gives less deviation for me.

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Have you fellows run H4350 with the 220 grain cast bullets?
I'll be loading that powder with the Ideal 311-284 later this week.

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Tinker,

I`ve never used H4350 for cast.
I do have a cache of H4350 that needs to used on something. I’d be interested in your results.

Thanks,
Ken


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Ken I'll share my results.

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Many years ago, Ed Harris wrote an article entitled " The Load", which works in most mid-capacity cartridges. His load was 13 grains of Red Dot behind most bullets appropriate for the particular cartridge. Many of my contemporaries used 12 grains of Unique in a similar fashion, but I have better results with "The Load". However, I often use a tuft of kapok tamped over the powder and Ed Harris specifically advised against fillers; so while I do it, I'm not recommending doing it.
Mike

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