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Thank you James... not sure what’s going on but I seem to be having image posting issues on this site at the moment.

Stan... that page is from Vic’s book Gun Craft and those serpentine fences where most likely carved by “ Mr Camm”

All best

CJ

Thanks Konor, James and Claudio for that detailed, and interesting, explanation.

SRH

I wonder if Mr. Camm was in charge of one of Greener's workshops. The letter for my Greener describes the names (but not first names) of all the men that worked on my gun and its dates for starting and finishing the gun. In my case, the metal work was all done in the Miller shop (action, locks, barrels).

While it did not say so explicitly, the letter implied that the Greener operation was a number of workshops that ran in parallel. I could easily imagine that Mr. Camm's workshop was designated for the "best" guns.

Konor mentioned that the circular flat areas I asked about "marks the position of the crossbolt". I've no doubt that is true, as there is a hole in the rib extension for a crossbolt. But, when I watch the video closely, at the very start of it, the gun is open and is shown from both sides. There is no crossbolt protruding from the side of the little circular area with the gun open, that I can see. I must assume, then, that the crossbolt is hidden completely inside the action.(?)

I've not had the pleasure of handling, or even being around, many best guns. On all the crossbolt guns I've seen or owned the bolt protrudes from the side of the action when the gun is open. Is the hidden crossbolt a Greener trait, or more a trait of best crossbolted guns in general?

SRH

all the Greeners I have seen and handled have cross bolts and all are external. I'm not sure what's behind or under those fences, but they sure are unique.

Stan, the cross bolt is mostly hidden on the higher end guns mainly for aesthetic purposes, it takes a lot of work to make it “hidden”

On that gun there is a plug on the left side of the fence where the contour makes a circle... look sort of like a couple of cropped horns on a bull, the plug is in the centre of the left circle and it only visible under magnification.
It is superbly executed

Once I figure out my picture posting issue I’ll take a couple of close ups

CJ

I looked at a 16 Gauge gun from Ernst Steigleder a couple years ago that had very similar protrusions carved into the breech balls. In my memory they seemed even more pronounced then on the Greener. I didn’t find them attractive but I really liked the 31” barrels. Sadly could not work out a deal.

Thank you, Claudio. I zoomed in on those circular "flats" and could see no sign of a fitted crossbolt. But, knowing how well the best gunmakers could fit metal to metal I wondered if there was a possibility of it being there, until I looked back at the video, stopped it several times, and realized ........No, it wasn't there.

I can only imagine the extra work involved to make a hidden crossbolt. I'm very impressed with that gun's workmanship .....by Greener and by you.

SRH

i have always understood that the self-acting ejector greener was a particularly challenging mechanism...now i have a better understanding of that.

what a magnificent gun, and CJO's work honors the standards to which it was built.

merry christmas to all!
tom

Thank you sir... your compliment is much appreciated

On another note... I think I’ve been able to sort out my image posting issues
So I’ll be able to post more of the pictures that for publishing restrictions could not be shown on the article
Stan...here is one that shows the well hidden cross bolt plug
The image has been magnified several times

CJ