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Originally Posted By: David Williamson
I had read awhile ago that in South Dakota if you hunted on a pay basis that some of the farmers have, they had to keep a total of birds killed and then they had to supplement the wild birds with pen raised birds. I'm guessing this is the same now and wonder if other states that have a fair amount of wild birds if this is the case also.

I have seen some movie footage of guys hunting in a group and having a good time talking while hunting in South Dakota. When I was there years ago you didn't as much sneeze when walking. The dogs had bells on them, but that didn't seem to bother the birds. I had never seen that many pheasants and at the time Pennsylvania had a fair amount here in the eastern part of the state.....that was then.


Certainly there are game preserves in South Dakota that are as you describe but I have seen many hundreds of wild birds at a time in the Dakotas as well, especially when they bunch up later in the year during the cold weather.


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I've never paid for birds. Why would you do that when you live in wild bird country?

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Originally Posted By: Dave Erickson
I've never paid for birds. Why would you do that when you live in wild bird country?



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Originally Posted By: Dave Erickson
I've never paid for birds. Why would you do that when you live in wild bird country?


Lots of people do that. I would think the whys of it are pretty obvious, especially if you've ever hunted wild birds.


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Originally Posted By: BrentD
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I've never paid for birds. Why would you do that when you live in wild bird country?


Lots of people do that. I would think the whys of it are pretty obvious, especially if you've ever hunted wild birds.


I realize all that, Brent, and I have no problem with others doing it at all. I've just have never had to pay, and it's due to living where I do, making connections, and hunting upland for a very long time. I hunt a combination of private and public land.

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Not everyone has a bird dog or loves walking miles on the prairie, I do but some folks just want to come to a place where they are pampered and they know they will see birds. Living in bird country makes a huge difference. Many of those preserves cater to corporate business, they fly a new group in every few days and it is much more pheasant shooting than pheasant hunting, because they supplement the birds on the preserve they can legally take more birds and hunt a longer season. I see huge numbers of birds on the private land I hunt but they all occur naturally. The Dakotas are subject to big swings in numbers locally but in general support very large numbers of naturally occurring wild birds on both public and private land.


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We use to call preserve hunts, “put and take” hunts. Got invited to a mallard duck hunt, “put and take type hunt” a few years ago. Seems ducks were released in the marsh and would fly back to their pens right across a from blind that hunters sat in. I did not go but a friend did. Told me he killed ten ducks before he noticed they all flew the exact same pathway. He shot several more but let others shoot his “ share”. I thought then and still do that I would rather repaint a bedroom than go “hunting like that”. I do understand those less able to physically get around might enjoy it. But unless I am introducing a new pup to birds I’ll pass on “put and takes”. But to each their own.

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I'm with you. I have not shot a planted bird in years and even then it was only for training. Not the kind of sport I'm looking for.


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Steve:

You are fortunate to live where wild birds still exist. In Pennsylvania, where I live, wild pheasants are extinct and the ruffed grouse population appears headed that way, thanks to West Nile virus and a reduction in logging on State Forest
lands, plus the continuing reduction in oak trees, the last significant mast source in the Pennsylvania forests, thanks to the State abandoning spraying for gypsy moths. Even the squirrel populations are way down in the woods. I’ve been hunting the same areas for over 50 years and the changes are extensive and deeply discouraging.

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You know it Rem. Actually I drive out of state for most of my upland hunting other than blue grouse but still feel very fortunate. Smartest thing I ever did was buying a run down house in bird country.


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