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As part of a larger trade deal I acquired a Walter Clements 12b Laminated Steel barrel hammer sxs. Pics are below. All appears in great shape, and tight on face, with exception that (1) it seems the pin on the right barrel is frozen, as it doesn’t seem to move when the hammer hits it. And (2) I am unsure of the proof for these barrels. I am trying to decipher the proof marks and I other marks. If anyone has any info to share about this make, the vintage of gun, or laminated steel in general, I’d love to hear. Pics are clickable for larger versions.

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Pre-1893 and likely pre-1891. Note forward of the "Laminated Steel" (the barrels are Twist) is the place where "Belgium" was usually marked.
It was not until 1891 that the U.S. required the country of origin to be clearly marked on an imported gun.
It does not carry Smokeless powder proof, which at that point was voluntary and would have been with "E.C." or "Schultze"

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Whatever the experts tell you about this gun, it is an extremely high condition gun. Many early hammer guns that have not been shot in decades have seized up plungers. Break them loose with solvent and a plastic hammer and dismantle them and lubricate. Everything should work just fine.

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Drew, are not these barrels different, left to right? Are both twist?

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Thank you all this far!

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Both are (not well matched) Plain Twist Bill.
And I agree very high condition.
The chambers are likely 2 1/2 or 2 5/8", but were not marked in that time frame.
The bore looks to be 18.2 mm = .7165" with R choke < .008" and likely cylinder
Left muzzle constriction is 17.5 = .689 or .0275" choke = Imp. Mod.

If the bores and wall thicknesses check out should be a fun shooter! In light of the 130 year old wood I'd suggest 7/8 oz. at 1200 fps loads, which have been commercially available from Fiocchi and others; and nominal 2 3/4" Fiocchi loads tend to run about 2 5/8".

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nice lookin ole gon...git some black powder loads an have sum fun...


the selling season approaches...selective consignments accepted...pm for terms...
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I might have to search out some 12g black powder shells. I shoot 16g black powder shells out of an old 16 I acquired:

http://www.fishrising.net/home/rodgun/belgorgerm/index.html

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Thoughts of this being restored? Or does it appear in original condition? I can get some more pics of anything specific over the next few days when I get it chance.

It certainly seems original condition to me, but it also seems to “good (clean) to be true.”

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