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Sam Shiller, the confidant and agent for Cyril Adams, sent this advertisement for a 4 bore SxS under-lever Reilly shotgun SN 15625 (dated per my chart to 1869). This is George L's shotgun from this board advertised a few years ago at $50K! And this gun is almost unique. It was originally a pin-fire converted to center fire:
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...bore-sxs-double-rifle-in-292-c-045433c87
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The starting bid price is $4K, almost unbelievable.

Here is the DGS line about the gun:
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=550059

And here is the 2009 thread when George L. bought it...look at the West Tennessee guy's insulting comments at the time - he was a jerk then, he was wrong then, oh well....no change.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181400&page=1

I'm wondering about George's health. Haven't heard from him for awhile...he was selling off his collection a couple of years ago after the death of his daughter.

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George never wanted to sell it at the time. I recall he had 7-8,000 in it after the restoration. The estimated value is 8-12,000. His 50,000 I think was as much a joke to himself as to many others. There was a lot of discussion about what it started out as and if it was safe to shoot. Always a subjective and personal thing to me. Hope it does well. It was well worth restoring from its sad state.

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Originally Posted by Argo44
Sam Shiller, the confidant and agent for Cyril Adams, sent this advertisement for a 4 bore SxS under-lever Reilly shotgun SN 15625 (dated per my chart to 1869). This is George L's shotgun from this board advertised a few years ago at $50K! And this gun is almost unique. It was originally a pin-fire converted to center fire:
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...bore-sxs-double-rifle-in-292-c-045433c87
[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

The starting bid price is $4K, almost unbelievable.

Here is the DGS line about the gun:
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=550059

And here is the 2009 thread when George L. bought it...look at the West Tennessee guy's insulting comments at the time - he was a jerk then, he was wrong then, oh well....no change.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181400&page=1

I'm wondering about George's health. Haven't heard from him for awhile...he was selling off his collection a couple of years ago after the death of his daughter.

I think you should buy it...

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https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...ore-sxs-double-rifle-in-292-c-045433c875

And, no I won't bid on or try to shoot that monster. I value my reconstructed right shoulder.

It's interesting that it is advertised as a rifle. George L. was very clear in the initial line that it was a shotgun and always was a shotgun.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181400&page=11
Destry: My Reilly began life as a shotgun not a rifle, according to Jim Kelly the gunsmith who restored it. The chamber walls are over 3/16 inch thick (I wouldn't call that "super thin" by any stretch of the imagination)Do I detect a bit of envy here?

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Originally Posted by Argo44
And here is the 2009 thread when George L. bought it...look at the West Tennessee guy's insulting comments at the time - he was a jerk then, he was wrong then, oh well....no change.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181400&page=1

jOe was a jerk, and wrong then Argo44??? I read the thread, and his comments, and it appears jOe was the first to accurately question the originality and the present configuration of the gun. The consensus among those knowledgeable about these things is that it wasn't likely that this gun started life as a 12 lb 4 oz 4 bore shotgun. jOe also was the first to note the original looking stalking safeties, which would be very unusual on a wildfowl gun. Other knowledgeable folks seemed to agree with him and his observations. Even MarketHunter agreed with him, and they never saw eye to eye on much.


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To this day I don't know why old George never provided a picture of the proof marks or at the very least described them. That in and of itself speaks volumes.


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I tried to ask the auction a question about the proof marks. The auction house doesn't seem to allow questions on this item. However, from blow-up of the water table, the one I can make out is a crown over "V" looks like standard London proof mark for the era. [Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

And the gun is definitely a shotgun, not a rifle as advertised.
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Going through the original line, George L. said he bought the gun for around $5000 and spent $2500 in restoration. He was questioned repeatedly on the weight...as I recall he finally weighed it - 29 lbs. You don't see these...There was one offered a couple of years ago without engraving for $45,000...see the Reilly line where I pictured all known Reilly 4 bores. Frederic Selous did write in the late 1800's that after firing a 4 bore in Africa, he developed a firing flinch that he had great difficulty getting rid of.

I haven't heard from George for quite awhile. He had a tendency to ask the same question several times and I notice his business is for sale. I think the death of his daughter hit him hard. Parents should leave this earth before their off-spring. He posted here a couple of years ago about selling off his collection. But,I have a feeling that this Reilly was one of the last guns he would part with. Raimey tells me is is now quite deaf.
https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ub...;Main=41282&Number=506740#Post506740

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Originally Posted by Argo44
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...ore-sxs-double-rifle-in-292-c-045433c875

And, no I won't bid on or try to shoot that monster. I value my reconstructed right shoulder.

It's interesting that it is advertised as a rifle. George L. was very clear in the initial line that it was a shotgun and always was a shotgun.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181400&page=11
Destry: My Reilly began life as a shotgun not a rifle, according to Jim Kelly the gunsmith who restored it. The chamber walls are over 3/16 inch thick (I wouldn't call that "super thin" by any stretch of the imagination)Do I detect a bit of envy here?
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Built as a smoothbore stopping gun for ball likely?

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Originally Posted by Argo44
Raimey tells me is is now quite deaf.

Gene, George was hard of hearing many years ago when I first met him at a Charlotte Hall gun auction in Columbia, SC. Even more so a few years later at the Southern Fall Classic at Georgetown, SC. Many years have passed since, yet George struggles on it seems. Life is not always kind to us in our autumn years. My best wishes to him.

The Reilly is a puzzlement with it's thin chamber walls and safeties.

Stan


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