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Interesting. I may forward this to Donald.


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I George still with us?

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I assume he is. His last post here is April 2018. His company is for sale. His guns are being dispersed.

But the advertisement for the 4 bore Reilly mentions "being sold for a Southern Gentleman"...and there is no obituary in South Carolina for him. Raimey has his phone number and talked to him last year. But it's difficult..he can't hear. We will all go down this road and hope he is ok and doing the best he can.


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Charleton Hall Auction reports the gun weighs 11 lbs, 8.6 ounces. This lets out its having been at one time a rifle I believe. All the Reilly rifles I have recorded have barrel length under 28." It also seems light for a big bore rifle (see the weight of 15963 made almost at the same time as this gun, which weighs 18 lbs 10 oz).

I went through my database looking at 8 and 10 bore Reilly's and unfortunately almost none of the advertisements recorded their weights. 8 bores seem to range (from limited data) from 9 lbs to 16 lbs. 10 bores from 7.5 lbs to 10 lbs. There are a couple of Reilly owners where who own Reilly 8 bores who might provide the weights of their guns.
-- 12bore owns 14983, the first extant Reilly gun with 2 rue Scribe, Paris
-- GaryD007 owns 30295

I can't contribute any more than this. There are collectors here who own big bore 19th UK shotguns who can opine more on the subject. Still it's an unusual gun.

Here is the Reilly gun in my database which most closely resembles the specs for 15625's - 18688, 8 bore SxS shotgun, 36" barrels, pistol grip stock (no weight mentioned)(and with that pistol grip, it might have had a 2nd matching rifle barrel to go with the shotgun barrel).
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/76/3417/em-reilly-co-double-barrel-shotgun
SN 18688, 8 Bore SxS Shotgun, Reilly & Co., Edward M. 36 in solid rib.
[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

But 15625 looks more robust (15625 was originally a pin-fire, now converted to center-fire) so I'm wondering if 15625 also had a separate matching rifle barrel)...there are a couple of extant Reillys with a pistol grip stock but with both rifle and shotgun barrels:
[Linked Image from jpgbox.com]

Hummm another one...15255, 10 bore SxS pin-fire shotgun....no weight mentioned but with pistol grip.
http://silverhawkauthor.com/small-a...shotguns_610.html?printable_version=true
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Gene, have you ever found a consistent reason why some Reilly underlevers have a ring-tip, and some don’t? Was there a difference between Reilly-numbered guns and guns sold by Reilly?

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Steve, it's one of those details I've never really looked at. I have this database....a lot of the sites are no longer available and I find I didn't copy out important data or keep important photos. But this is for sure....Reilly only serial number guns he built, and they all had London proofs (originally).

I have a database of about 30 guns that have EM Reilly on the ribs but no SN. I'll go through them and see if any pattern turns up. But for now, I can't explain why some U-L had ring-tips and some not. Reilly made what would sell and it seems to have changed weekly - monthly.

Edit: Scrolling through the under trigger guard Under-Lever Reillys from 1859 to 1883....I can find no pattern for ring under-levers or solid filled-in under-levers. Solid started out being standard (Lefaucheux style)...ring U-L predominated in the 1860's-70's (but there were always the solid rings mixed in).. mid 70's solid rings took over but always there were open rings. On the pin-fire line, I'll post what I've got in a collage.

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I gotta weigh in here.
Last year I purchased a double rifle on GB that had made a circuitous route from an original introductory post on this here website back in 2010 by George L. As with another double rifle he owned and tried to sell two years ago, very little of what was claimed about the double rifle I bought could be verified. For example, I contacted the Jim Kelly gunsmith claimed to have restored the double rifle I ended up with. Mr Kelly said to me on the phone they had no record of that gun and he himself could not recall having worked on it. I could go on and on about this gun and the other, but the lesson I learned was that some people make big claims in the hope that it’s too big to question. This same person also placed outlandish values on his other guns, all of which sold at auction (Charlton Hall) for multiples less than what he said they were worth. He did not like to answer questions or to provide basic facts, such as photos of proofs etc. And the guy who ended up buying the other rifle returned it because it was not as advertised.
Some people just live on the edge, and they always have a story to tell that just disarms prospective buyers and gives some sort of cover for why questions are never answered.
Buyer beware.


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Proof photos are posted at Charlton Hall.
https://www.charltonhallauctions.co...ly-4-Bore-SxS-Double-Rifle-i_045433C875/
Shows provisional and final London marks, at 7 tons, which would be shot-and-ball range. That would explain the stalking safeties. Current price is $4,000. Expected range on auction site is $8,000-$12,000.
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7 bore diameter in this period of time, these proofs pre-date ton markings.


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