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I am curious what the World marketplace actually considers a “matched pair”of shotguns.
I would like people to offer up which elements of two shotguns laying side-by-side, need to be the same for the two shotguns to be considered a “matched pair”.
I separate it into physical and mechanical properties.
IMHO, Presuming they were ordered on the same day, as a set, they should be physically as identical as possible. So, same barrels, same triggers, bookmatch wood, same engraving, etc.
Mechanically, everything should be the same.
Same trigger pull, same effort to cock, same top lever force and distance, same weight, same moi, same balance.
My personal standard, is that the shooter should not discern any difference between one and the other.
I am curious what other members may have to say.
I can’t promise that I may alter my view, however I am definitely amenable to accepting yours if well reasoned.
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This could be debated, ad infinitum.
If you want a true matched pair (the definition you have already provided), or as close to a matched pair available today, Fabbri would be the choice - all machine made and identical as then can be. Or, save a whole bunch of money and buy two Browning, Citori's with identical specifications (except for serial numbers and wood), they will be just as close.
Whoever says they can make a "matched pair" is being a bit disingenuous - it is impossible to do because of the physical laws (and theories) of the universe.
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Actually CZ what you describe would be known as a pair in the trade. A matched pair would be ordering a gun,liking it, going back to the manufacturer and asking to have a second built " exactly" the same as the first, i.e. matching. A composed pair would be two guns built on separate occasions (possibly for different clients) which were subsequently bought together and every effort made to make them identical. Much a question of semantics but those are the terms used by the makers, definition and usage. may (will) become diluted outside the Gun trade.
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just my 2 cents, the things a maker can make identical and that effect handling and performance are as close as possible made as such. Barrels length and choke, stock dimension and color/grain, overall weight and balance, action and triggers. Engraving need not be identical as it doesn't effect performance, but should certainly be complimentary if not identical.
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That’s the fun of it
How many angels can stand on the head of a pin isn’t that popular anymore, so we have this
Pair versus matched pair, is a distinction that I was unaware of.
So see, we’re already learning something
As a practical aside, I must say, when the top lever on one of my guns was substantially more difficult to move than the other matching gun, I hated it. And I immediately sent it off to be rectified.
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I think people expect consecutive serial numbers as well for a matched pair, anything less puts it in the composed pair or just pair category.
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Matched pair, true pair and composed pair mean different things to different people. I consider a “true pair” to be one which are consecutive serial numbers, built together, to the same specs and finish levels. Everything else, to me is just a “pair”. They can be a second gun built to copy a earlier first gun or two similar guns which have been bought separately and have been made as much alike as possible. With enough money and skill they can even approach the “true pair” in fit, finish and feel. In the end I don’t think it matters that much if well done.
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FWIW, I own what I have assumed is ‘matched pair’ of Wm Powell #3’s marked #1 and #2 with consecutive serial #’s. The stocks and forearm appear to have come from the same tree. Extremely close match in terms of grain layout. They both have the same chokes and appear almost identical. From what Hugh says this would be a ‘pair in the trade’ rather than a ‘matched pair’.
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I had a pair of Greener G70 Imperials. Number 2 of the original pair was lost, and replaced by Greener as close to identical as was Possible. I would call them a matched pair, but not a true pair. Serial numbers were several hundred off.
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My William Evans sidelocks, stocked to the fences, full crossover, Scott patent screw grip locking, 12 gauges, are as true a matched pair as any I have ever seen. After 100 plus years, they are even matched in very high original condition. Gold numbers one and two on the top levers, consecutive serial numbers, cased in Evans oak and leather case. I know there are lesser "matches" but these are true matches. They are my dedicated sporting guns and I shoot them alternatively every week. I was able to afford them only because they are crossover guns. Two straight stocked guns would have cost me more than twice what I paid for this pair. What was the question again?
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