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I recently picked up what appears to be a French shotgun and was wondering if anybody would have information on this firearm or the maker.

What I have is:
2 barrel set 30” with beautiful Damascus barrels.

One set has a 12 GA smoothbore on the right barrel and the other barrel is slightly smaller (16 ga) and has rifling for a slug I assume. One barrel is stamped 16.5 and the other barrel stamped 17.8. Barrels are mirror.

Second set has twin 12 GA smoothbore barrels. one barrel stamped 18.2. The other is not stamped. Barrels are mirror.

The barrels have "H. Giltay" stamped on the underside and also faintly the name "Bernard" there is a name in front of "Bernard" but is unreadable.

They appear to have a Belgium proof mark and an oval with a crown above the initials EB. There is also an oval with the initials AC.

The rib is scribed "Alb. Fornes' Arqur A Strasbourg”

The stock has a hand grip safety. I have never seen anything like that.

The trigger guard has gold initials “RG” under a gold crown.

It does not appear to have a serial number on it.

Not sure this is enough info on the gun to determine age or possible value.

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Thanks for your help,

Steve

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Interesting, >>H. Giltay<<. It should read >>Léopold Bernard<< but since there isn't a serial number on the lower rib it may read >>Eugène(Henri) Bernard<< or similar.

Lovely Lefaucheux platform with straighthand stock.


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What initials are in the oval low on the tubeset, >>LB<< or >>EB<<??

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Does it have a Grip Safety? Looks like some odd Lever on the underside of the stock?

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There is an oval with the initials EB under a crown.

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Thank you for taking the time to read my post. Yes it does have a working grip safety. I have never seen that on a shotgun.

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Alb. Fornès Arquebusiers Á Strasbourg

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Henri Eugène Bernard not Léopold Bermand then.


http://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20b/a%20bernard%20henri%20eugene%20gb.htm

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It is a Belgian Lefaucheux platform peddled by a French Firearms merchant. I don't see anything French regarding French mechanics or makers(Arquebusiers).


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So Alb. Fornes is the gun builder? or the merchant who the gun was built for? Since Strasbourg is in France, I thought Fornes was a gun builder in France using Belgium proofed barrels.

Regards,
Steve

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