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=================================================================== Reilly extant matched Paris
On another line we discussed putting missing matched pairs together. For the record here are Reilly extant guns which are matched pairs or which have a "1." "2." or "3" and are missing their mates (details on these guns are above in the extant gun charts - if more information is needed, I have photos and advertisements for them):
1) Reilly guns which have a "1" or "2" or "3" but which are missing their pairs/trio, 18775 - (#3) - spring 1874 21339 - (#2) - May 1878 30363 - (#1) - early 1889 30xxx - (#2) - early 1889 (quite possibly the mate to 30363) (a gun in Norway) 33241 - (#2) - Dec 1893 33454 - (#2) - mid 1894 33508 - (#1) - May 1894 33713 - (#1) - Dec 1894 33858 - (#1) - spring 1895 33890 - (#2) - spring 1895 33916 - (#2) - summer 1895 35423 - (#2) - summer 1904 . 1833 - (#2) - post 1907 (outlier SN)
and 2) Extant Reilly pairs which have been located, put together or which are still together today: 27853, 27854 - early 1886 (#1 is Argo44's gun) 30375, 30376 - early 1889 30394, 30395 - spring 1889 33286, 33287 - early 1894 33747, 33748 - early 1895 34221, 34222 - early 1896 35422, 35423 - summer 1904 35673, 35674 - 1911
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Hi Gene, I know you have this gun S/N. 33673 in your database, but not sure if you knew it was sold at Southams, on 14th September, 2017? It had a very good colour photograph, and was cased. Regards Dave
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Hi Gene, Just found this in a Weller & Dufty catalog dated 21st March 1972, sadly no Serial Number......
"A rare & high quality 52 bore 6 shot single action percussion revolver rifle with reciprocating gas seal cylinders. Octagonal barrel, double cross wedges to cylinder axis pin. Fitted with dovetail foresight and 2 folding leaf rearsights. The top flat engraved " REILLY'S IMPROVED. NEW OXFORD STRET LONDON" London proved. Longspur hammer, with sliding safety behind. The lower frame strap fitted with horn handle hold. Nicely scroll engraved frame, and walnut stock with chequered pistol grip. Dull steel. some wear and light pitting, one barrel wedge missing, and action slightly at fault. Generally very good. Barrel 26". ILLUSTRATED".
I am coming across Reilly guns in my search for English pinfires for Steve Nash, and will continue on this path while ever you need info. Should you want the relevant old catalog as a source of information, I would be happy to post to you. No charge for the catalog, just cover the postage.
There will obviously be ones I miss, as I am not looking at centre fire guns, unless they are hammer guns.
Regards Dave
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good evening Dave. Per the above, I rapidly concluded that Reilly quit serial numbering pistols circa 1837. He afterwards put his name on and engraved thousands of pistols and later revolvers - duelers, derringers, Howdah's, revolvers, etc. Unfortunately, these cannot be used to date Reilly guns...except for extant labels left in their cases which helped build and date a huge database of Reilly trade labels. Thus, I would not bother looking at pistols unless they have a pre-1200 Serial Number and a J.C. Reilly address.
For any gun in the above list, I most likely have the original auction house ad (in some case several auction houses) and pictures going back to about 2002 when the internet became ubiquitous. You are going the extra mile for this research and it's really really appreciated...I'd love to be there with you...just trying to save you some labor. In any case, Thanks so much again. History is created by small steps. Gene
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Hi Gene, thanks for letting me know about pistols...will save me some time. I have found out over the years that often small country auction houses have failed to note serial numbers, as percussion and pinfires were often just regarded as wall hangers. On quite a few of the later centrefires, the serial number, and / or, address on rib, have been worn as to become illegible. However, I will endeavour still to send info on them in the hope that it proves useful. I,m still trying to figure out how to scan old catalog pages, and photographs, my printer says it Scans, yet I cannot get it to do so! I,m hoping my techie friend will be able to fix that for me. In the meantime, I shall continue hitting the keyboard with one finger! :-) Regards
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Hi Gene, After a an hours trawl through some old Southams catalogs, dating back to the mid-nineties, I found one or two bits of info, which I shall record here. It,s more than possible that you have these already, but if I start to look through the database everytime I find something, that would slow me down a little. Some sadly will not have a visible number, but I will post every word from the catalog, in case it helps. So here goes:
D/B/N/Ej. 16b anson & Deeley patent action. No visible Serial Number Southams 21st September 1995. .300 bore Rook Rifle by Reilly. No visible number. Southams 21st March 1996 £140 D/B/N/Ej. E.M. Reilly S/No. 140717 Southams 21st March 2002.12b rolled turnover machine patented by E M reilly. Southams 15th March 2001 12b B/L/Ej. By E M Reilly. 29" barrels, scroll engraved action S/No. 128466 Southams 21st September 2000.1 12b B/L/Ej. By Reilly & Co. S/No. 139614 Southams 19th June 1997. 12b S/L/Ej. by E M Reilly. 28.5" French barrels. SS/No. 33455. Southams 20th March 1997.
I shall continue the search tomorrow. Regards Dave
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Hi Gene, forgot to include this, which I came across in a very old catalog from May 1972. "A scarce, and very good quality, half stocked 26 bore Prince's Patent breech loading percussion capping sporting rifle by Reilly of Oxford Street. Round barrel, with sling swivel, and bayonet lug and tangent rearsight, signed on top; scroll foliage engraved back action lock with graceful hammers; brass guard, with catch for barrel handle, the tang engraved with the serial No. 10811 brass barrel sleeve, forend guide and buttplate;walnut stock with chequered wrist. The barrel, which locks onto a breech spigot, is partially rotated with the handle, and then slid forwards for loading. Dull steel, minor wear and repaired crack in forened. Condition Very Good. Barrel 30". Lot no. 668" Weller & Dufty May 1972. Cataloging by Doug Nye. There is a black and white photo illustration which I will try to scan and post....but don,t hold your breath for this, for some reason, my printer/scanner has decided to go on strike!
Regards dave
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Evening (Morning) Dave. Here are a few comments that I hope will be helpful:
-- If a gun has no Serial Number, Reilly didn't build it. This is especially true of rook-rifles but also of some big-bore fowlers. So don't pay attention to these. (The SN will normally be found behind the trigger guard tang - but also on the barrels, on the action flats/water table, and on the forearm. The problem with auction houses is they don't know, don't care, or don't look).
-- Reilly made guns have a maximum serial number of about 36,000 (last extant Reilly is SN 35678.
-- If a "Reilly" has a six digit serial number, it was made in Birmingham after 1922 on behalf of Sports retailer Charles Riggs. He bought the Reilly name and began to market Birmingham guns with "E.M. Reilly & Co., London" in August 1922. These are journeyman guns and are probably why late 20th century commentators called Reilly a "retailer." No need to spend time on these. However, if 128466 is accurate, this is the earliest Riggs gun I have on my records - I will have to change the history a bit. Thanks.
-- 33544 is new and is being added to the above list.
-- Re the Prince patent, SN 10811, I have that gun. It is the earliest extant gun with only Reilly "Oxford Street" on its barrel - i.e. the first identifiable gun made at 315 Oxford Street (August 1858). (Note: Reilly SN 10783 is a Prince Patent, but has "New Oxford Street" on its barrel i.e. made at 502 New Oxford Street. Since Reilly opened 315 Oxford Street in early August 1858, these two Prince Patent guns can pretty well be dated to July (10783) and August (10811) 1858. They, thus, are "sanity checks" for the accuracy of the date chart..
-- The Reilly shell crimper was patented in 1861....there are a number of examples on the market. Reilly marketed about every conceivable accroutements for guns from bandoleers to shell boxes, to pouches, to....you name it.
Thanks as usual for all the help! Gene
Here is the edited paragraph on Riggs dealing with his SN'd guns" thanks to your readings: - hard work, dedication, team contributions and research - this is how history is made and changed word by word.
--------------------------- "Riggs-Reilly guns usually have "E.M. Reilly & Co., London" on the ribs; Sometimes "E.M. Reilly & Co., Ltd." As a further identifier, a lot of the Rigg's-Reilly's have "Prince of Wales" half pistol grip stocks (something the original Reilly firm almost never made.) Riggs'-Reilly named guns have six-digit serial numbers and appear to begin at around 128000. (The earliest Riggs serial number so far identified is 128466). A Riggs "Reilly" with a serial number in the 150000's is known to exist."
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Hi Gene, thanks for that info. Where the lack of a serial number applies to a rook rifle, or big bore shotgun, I,ll leave them out. Experience has taught me, however, that early pinfires and hammer shotguns often lack a "discernible" serial number due to wear and tear over the years. It,s very frustrating, Same applies to name on the rib. Often, this is lost due to re-browning, or blueing, or just over-enthusiastic cleaning, with the wrong materials! Back to the drawing board! I have found some more examples, in a small number of catalogs from Evans & Partridge, Hampshire. These are late 90,s to 2002, so you again may have them listed. I shall then plough through a number of small regional auction catalogs, when they are exhausted, it,s back to the early 70,s, with Weller & Dufty catalogs.
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Hi Gene, Here we go again....
12b B/L/N/Ej. E.M.Reilly & Co. Serial No.28502 Nitro Re-proof. 30" Damascus barrels. 2.5" chambers. Well figured stock. Scroll engraved. Evans & Partridge 29/10/2004 16b B/L/N/Ej. E.M.Reilly & Co. Serial No. 35493. 2.5" chambers. 28" barrels. Scroll engraved. Evans & Partridge 26/3/2002 12b B/L/Ej. E.M.Reilly & Co. Serial No. 33256. 2.5" chambers. 27" Sleeved barrels. Evans & Partridge 25/33/1997. 12b Hammer Gun. E.M.Reilly & Co. Serial No. 22525. 30" browned Damascus barrels. Cross bolted forend. U/Lever opening. Proof Exempt.Cert Evans & Part. 27/3/2001
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