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Westley Richards inscription is not shown in any of the pictures.
Both barrel and action have German & British proofs.
Looks like someone poorly bedded the metal.
Per Jon Speed's s/n list, if this is an Oberndorf commercial action it would have been produced in 1913, which doesn't match either date on the action. (??)
There were no pictures of the bottom metal.

If you right click and open the pic in another tab you can then zoom for a closer look.

This is the auction house description.
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Mauser model 1904 in 7mm with a five round capacity and a 25.5" barrel. This rifle has been "Sporterized" with a new Monte Carlo style stock and the mid barrel sights removed. Red Head brand rubber butt pad. Solid wood checkered one piece stock. Blued bolt, receiver, barrel, magazine floor plate and trigger. Pacific brand adjustable peep hole sight. Front fixed blade brass bead sight. All visible parts with matching serial numbers. Ports in the stock for mounting hardware for a shoulder strap. Rear of bolt safety switch. Left side of receiver bolt release. Marked with Nitro Proofs on the barrel. Marked on the receiver "Waffenfabrik Mauser A.-G. Obendorf A/N 1907 BV". Marked on the top of barrel "Westley Richards & Co London 7M/M Nitro Proof BP BV NP 36938".

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If this is a commercial Mauser action, it should have the Mauser serial number on the bottom of the action near the recoil lug and on the back of the magazine box. It would be good to check if they match the visible numbers and if not, check that number against the Speed list. If they don't match, that means the visible number is the Westly Richards number.
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Why do you think it is a WR rifle? The action is marked, the stock checkering isn't correct, and the sling eye or stock oval near the stock butt isn't correct.

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Originally Posted by KDGJ
Why do you think it is a WR rifle? The action is marked, the stock checkering isn't correct, and the sling eye or stock oval near the stock butt isn't correct.

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Marked on the top of barrel "Westley Richards & Co London"

Also, question mark in the subject line indicate a question, not a statement.


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It is not the original stock to that rifle, look at the loading port cut out. Nothing on the gun looks Westley to me, none of the signature features Westley used.


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Originally Posted by SKB
It is not the original stock to that rifle, look at the loading port cut out. Nothing on the gun looks Westley to me, none of the signature features Westley used.

Agreed. Likely why the poor bedding job.
The metal is what I am most hopeful for.

That said, no picture of the barrel inscription is a concern.
If it is done with "Engraving Pen", my question will be answered.

If that is the case, then I will likely part it out.


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Looks like an intermediate action with commercial proofs, always appealing and not that easy to find.

I ended up converting an intermediate length Rigby pattern stock to standard length recently, I had a nice standard length action on hand and did not have the urge to hunt up an intermediate.


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It strikes me as just a neat hunting rifle. If it started life as a WR, it has lost many of its salient WR features and gained four extra d/t'ed holes in the receiver, an aftermarket re-stocking (with attendant poorly inletted sight base), and what is to me suspect bottom metal. Did WR utilize military trigger guards with the alternate sling hole in the front of the bow, without re-contouring same?

If I'm not mistaken, Pacific sight products didn't appear until well after WR would have purportedly built it.

If bore condition were pristine I could be interested in it as a shooter/hunter if it were cheap enough to at least edge out a Remington 700 or something of that ilk. First stop, replace the ventilated pad with a solid one, then take to the woods with it.

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Hopefully no one thought I believed I found some wonderful jewel of a WR.

Have bought and sold hundreds of Mauser sporting rifles. From basic Bubba built rifles to some really nice customs, even a few by "names" in the field.
Also disassembled and parted out dozens of others.
Have also built a few of my own.

Along the way I have become attuned to the history and when something like this pops up for a "reasonable" price I'll pick it up.
Pull them apart, examine the quality of the work then decide what to do.

Things like the trigger guard don't bother me. Easily replaced or an hours work(not including blacking) will have it looking very "Oberndorf".
The stock is a mess and unattractive to my eye. I have many on hand to replace it, though none of what would be the proper design for an English rifle of this era.


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Originally Posted by SKB
Looks like an intermediate action with commercial proofs, always appealing and not that easy to find.


Missed this earlier.
When I clicked in it took me to the post after yours.

Intermediate would be nice!
FN 1924 Mexican actions bring good money.
An clean, unpitted Oberndorf intermediate would bring excellent money.


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It is getting harder to find nice mausers, I scored one this winter for a steal. Looking for a nice standard length Oberndorf right now to build a .300 H&H on.


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SKB,

Good eye on the length.

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The Mauser Modell 1904 was a short- lived Mauser Export military rifle in 7x57. Both Colombia and China bought some. It was built on the same intermediate length action as the Turkish 1903, the Peruvian 1909 as well as most pre-WW2 commercial sporters in 7x57 aka .275 Rigby.

As the receiver shows contemporary Oberndorf BU civilian proofmarks, it was originally delivered from the factory as a type C Army hunting rifle. Those humble sporters were often built on rejected or leftover military parts and keep military markings and serial numbers. As Rigby was the sole official Mauser importer in the early 1900s, other British gunmakers like Westley-Richards circumvented the monopoly. Often they bought complete military rifles through the international arms trade and tore them down for the actions. But there was a black market too for actions and parts smuggled out of the German factories, government arsenals as well as DWM. But more likely W-R here merely reworked a humble model C and sold it as an economy sporter.

Much later the barreled action was modified. The bolt handle was bent back, the action drilled for scope mounts, open rear sight removed and the Pacific receiver peep sight put on. Finally the barreled action was mounted in the orphaned stock of another Mauser actioned rifle. This stock was originally for a standard length action. Look at the right side photos: the ejection/ loading port cutout of the stock is too long for the shorter intermediate action. So the longer receiver ring overhangs this cutout to the rear by about 5 mm. These alterations were most likely done post-WW2 in the USA.

Wish I could help you with an Oberndorf standard length.
Only have one at the moment, but it was sold to the trade and does not have the side rail markings.
It is also a complete rifle.


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Before starting my threads I emailed WR via their website, but honestly didn't expect a reply.

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Dear Mr. Shotgunner

Thank you for your email and details of the early Mauser based Westley Richards rifle that you have. We have very little information on rifles from this serial number range, however I can confirm that the rifle was built circa 1908.

I hope that this information is of interest to you.

Yours sincerely

Anthony Alborough-Tregear


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Rifle arrived and some observations.

Bore is a mirror.
Military pattern bottom metal is number matching.
S/N polished off bolt root when handle was modified but the "B & U" proof marks remain on the bottom. Firing pin, extractor, shroud and safety are matching.



The modification were done a long, long time ago.
The bedding compound seen next to the barrel and action(looks like Acraglas) is a "patch" for all the material that had flaked and fallen out. I cannot identify the material that was used to bed it originally.
Material is yellow in places, red, and brown in others.
Pad is a classic "Red Head".
Quick connect sling swivels are marked "King Pat. Pend." so not purchased out of the latest Brownells catalog. wink

Rear ring is not drilled and tapped. The barrel D&T. From the marks in the blacking, it was fitted with small bases for an externally adjustable scope.
I will probably install filler screws, but I do have bin drawer full of old bases and a couple of Litchert scopes. May mount one up.

For now though, it gets a place in the rack.


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This is my Westley Richards 9X57, refinished by Lon Paul a number of years ago:
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