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I didn't know they deep fried Ortolans… Ever talk to a tanker? Generally dumber than a bag of bricks which makes them at least twice as smart as your average Texan. They deep fry everything. __________________________ 2621
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To convert bars to psi, multiply by 14.5. That's assuming the Turks are using transducers to measure pressure and not the old crushers (which resulted in lead units of pressure--LUP--rather than true psi. Older members may remember LUP from reloading manuals.) For a long time, our British friends confused things by marking their guns with bars values . . . but they were still measuring with crushers.
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Smoking over the box quite closely, I see that the ammo is not designed for >>Wrapped<< barrels, which I think they mean pattern welded tubes? Also, there's the Hungarian HU ammo stamp along w/ >>CIP M<< and I do not think Turkey is a member? https://yeniexpo.com/shop/electroni...-victory-sport-9mm-traumatic-cartridges/But if one thumbs thru the images of the above TURAC 9mm ammo, one sees Hungarian proof docs. So, the TURAC >>Exclusive<< shotshell ammo must be manufactured in Hungary? Or just tested in Hungary???? Serbus, Raimey rse
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Or just tested in Hungary????
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Raimey rse Just tested in Hungary. I just checked the boxes of some of my USA made ammunition: Winchester 12 gauge "Super Targets" and 20 gauge "Universal" are CIP tested in Liege, Belgium. A box of Remington 12 gauge was CIP tested in Munich, Germany. At least some USA manufacturers submit ammunition to a CIP proof house for testing. I believe that if they want to sell their ammunition in a CIP signatory country it must be CIP tested.
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Too, I picked up some >>Black Aces<< in Double Aught and it is made by Clever - s.r.l. Italy.
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Yesterday afternoon @ a small family gathering, a distance Cousin by marriage, who is an Armed Forces sharpshooter instructor & military platform weapons expert, and I were talking about what was the missing link of the current production ammo shortage. Availability of components like primers were considered but he mentioned that the larger makers like Federal, Winchester, etc. where suppliers to our military and that their cut would come 1st. If true, anyone have any idea of what portion of weekly production is solely allocated to our military?
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Because of the continuous rotation of stock and recycling of surplus ammunition, the volumes the feds purchase are mind boggling.
I received news notices of the contracts that Federal received just for 300 WinMag, and it was incomprehendible. 10’s of millions of pieces.
I am more of the opinion that this is just like the eight dollar and 50 Cent big Mac meal deal, as long as people are willing to pay it the price isn’t coming down, same for ammunition. There’s no point in making ammunition that makes no profit, when you can sell all you can make at five times the profit.
Out there doing it best I can.
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Are you suggesting that capitalism and supply/demand are at work instead of a conspiracy?
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Interestingly, this is were ammunition and facemasks and contracts with the federal government overlap.
As was presented before Congress, one of the American manufacturers of facemasks was not going to invest in additional tooling or manufacturing capability, specifically because when the federal government decides they no longer need the product, they dump everything they have on the market. Consequently he had spent millions building a factory, only to shut it down, and have the federal government become his competition on eBay.
I believe the ammunition manufacturers are not tooling up to produce greater quantities, because they know that in short order they will have created their own competition.
Capital budgeting is capital budgeting.
You are not going to put millions of dollars into additional production, knowing that you won’t need it five years from now.
Out there doing it best I can.
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