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Okay Gentlemen. This is 1880s christoph funk drilling. 43 mauser/11mm. The 16g has been lined to shoot 28 gauge. I just recently bought some 43 mauser ammo on Gun Broker and wondered if it is safe to shoot out of the drilling. One is a Canadian made dominion rounds (20 for $100) and 7 rounds of some much older German rounds(7 for $70). The old Germans are in much better condition. Any advice of safety to shoot this rifle ammo fro this gun? The gun is very tight and good order. I am attaching some pictures for you all to check out of the gun, ammo and info I got about the gun from Peter Ravnlund one of the experts on Funk Drillings(I think Peter is from Denmark). Question is do I proof it myselfor get some other idiot to shoot it. Hoping to take a deer with this gun this winter.(this thing may qualify as a primitive weapon!)
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I've shot a lot of both of those loads. The German is vintage (probably 1880s) black powder GI ammo and I shot it in my 71/84 Mauser as it was the only available ammo back then and a dollar something a box. I don't remember any duds but that was back 50 years ago. I wouldn't hunt with it now because of the chance of primer failure and it is probably best left as collector ammo. Dominion of the vintage you have is probably fine and is smokeless loaded to black powder levels. They are balloon head cases. Late production had some case problems that show up with close inspection in reloading. I'm still shooting my reloads in the older Dominion brass in my hammer drilling and my 71 Mauser. Bell brass is really good and Connecticut Cartridge brass is good also. Bertram is available (Huntingtons.com). The Jones underlever makes a strong lock up. If it would make you feel better to proof it, load one of the Dominions, wrap it in a blanket to protect it and put it in a tire with a string on the trigger, cock the hammer and step back. Bet it works just fine and would make a good hunting rifle but is not really primitive! when you say the German rounds are in better condition does that mean you suspect the Dominions are reloads? I would not shoot someone else's reloads.

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You can do whatever you want to do with your own property, but I would not shoot( or try) the very old German ammo. In addition to it costing you $10 a round, it is more collector's ammo than shooting ammo; also it may not shoot and if it does, if it is mercuric primed, the cases will be ruined. The Dominion is likely shootable, but be advised it is loaded in "balloon head cases". There have been several "head separations" caused by these cases, including in one of my rifles. I discovered that to avoid this( at least so far), when sizing fired cases, the sizing die must be set so the shoulder is not "set back" at all. Since the cartridge is rimmed, the chamber is longer than the cartridge. If the sizing die is set according to typical instructions when a fired case is sized back to "factory" dimensions, with the shoulder being moved back, subsequent firings stretch the case out again, thinning the case wall near the head. A couple cycles of this is enough to cause head separations. If new Dominion ammo is not fired to secure the cases they should not be used. Instead, other cases must be acquired or formed from solid head cases. I make Mauser base cases from 45-70/45-90 cases by reforming the rims to the typical Mauser base shape and adjust the diameter to fit the rim recess closely( usually around .595" instead of factory .585"). The head diameter of 45-70 cases is .010" to .015" smaller than 11.15x60R ( 43 Mauser) and fitting the rim to the rim recess insures even expansion ahead of the solid head. If appropriate loads are used, .015" expansion is considered acceptable. The 45-70 cases are useable to make Mauser Base cases for cartridges up to about 51mm long. To make 11.15x60R cases, 45-90 donor cases are necessary. Some people make cases by turning the belts off belted magnum cases. The head diameter of these is close to "factory" but rims may or may not engage the extractor.
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The German rounds don’t have much of any tarnish where as the dominion rounds look highly tarnished and the lead has oxidized(I assume) turned white and even looks a slight bit bigger diameter than the waffen rounds perhaps due to oxidation of the lead. I figured I would lightly run some steel wool over them the clean them up a little. The dominion appear to be new in box(just a good deal of tarnish/green on the brass).

Thanks for the info. Sounds like I will keep the old waffen ammo to go with the gun and try out the dominion.

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The "waffen" would appear smaller as they are. They are wrapped with a paper patch and have a concave base and expand when the BP is touched off.


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