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sad too that the novel advancement of glass atop led to the demise of the rear okular.


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Thanks to Wolfgang I now know the German term to be:

>>Klapp - Diopter<< on the Scheibe.


Other relevant terms are:

Lochvisier

Aufklappbar


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In Austria/Ferlach: Gucker, Umleg-Gucker

In Slovenian: Gucker = kukalo


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Raimey,
I suspect one folding either way could be fit up.
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It also depends on the type of weapon. In the Mannlicher-Schönauer GK repeaters, the folding diopters were fitted with a spring and reared up again after the repeating operation.

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I have three Franz Kettner firearms. Two drillings and one shotgun. When I talked to David Moses several years ago, he indicated that they were an actual maker and moved to the west at some point after the war. They had a location that was open until at least a few years ago. FRANZ Kettner should not be confused with Eduard Kettner.

Mine are well made and two have wonderful engraving.

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Although possible, I have serious reservations that either of the Kettners in Köln actually fully did make their wares. Images of the marks would point us in a direction. Ernst Emil Steigleder is about the only Berlin Büchsenmacher, although not of Köln, that actually added effort to his wares. He had a shop in Suhl for sourcing / manufacture & a Niederlassungen(Branch Office) or Satellite Office in Berlin for retail as Berlin was where the Benjamins were. Both Eduard Kettner & Franz Ketter both had a Suhl address noted as a Zweigniederlassung or Branch Office in Suhl, which I assume was just for sourcing from the talented mechanics in Suhl. From viewing their offerings, they too sourced the mechanics in Zella - Mehlis as well as those in Liège. But I am not sure if either term Niederlassungen or Zweigniederlassung notes a manufacturing shop??? Maybe Wolfgang can put us on the straight & narrow.


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Franz Kettner hung out his gunmaking shingle in 1835 in Köln and his Grandson was an apprentice to Christian Sturm. By the start of WWI Franz Kettner did have a presence in Suhl and @ the end of WWI one finds Franz Kettner the owner of the Christian Sturm concern. In 1943 the Köln facility was bombed to smithereens and they relocated to Suhl.

Too along the way Eduard Kettner absorbed other businesses like Engelbrecht Clever.


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I am fairly sure the following Engelbrecht Clever Nachfolger, Köln is an offering, Belgian sourced, by Eduard Kettner?????

https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=597957&page=1

Maybe the custodian can tell us what is stamped on the left tube?


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Too, interesting that once the custodian was provided with a value, he was never to be heard from again?

Wolfgang on Kettners:

>>Niederlassung means branch, Zweigniederlassung means subsidiary

in the German dewiki :

On January 23, 1884, the company Eduard Kettner was entered in the Cologne Commercial Register and the first Kettner hunting store was opened in the heart of the cathedral city. At the beginning of the 20th century, Kettner was one of the first mail-order companies in Germany. Kettner acquired factories in Suhl (Thuringia) and Porz (Cologne), where thousands of hunting weapons were produced and subsequently exported.

In 1925, the Bühring family purchased Kettner and expanded the headquarters in Cologne. The company was first managed by Friedrich Bühring's father-in-law, the well-known "Patronen-Dornheim". He was the owner of G.C. Dornheim AG from Lippstadt, a weapons and ammunition wholesaler with seven branches in Germany and abroad.<<

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