March
S M T W T F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Who's Online Now
6 members (NCTarheel, Marc Ret, Lloyd3, Ted Schefelbein, 2 invisible), 338 guests, and 2 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums10
Topics38,374
Posts544,003
Members14,391
Most Online1,131
Jan 21st, 2024
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#605765 11/06/21 09:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 547
Likes: 86
Jtplumb Offline OP
Sidelock
OP Offline
Sidelock

Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 547
Likes: 86
I realize these 2 guns are most likely Belgium sourced but what action is this? No pins or screws? Trigger plate is slim. But trigger guard is attached in most peculiar way, never seen it done that way except on this shaped action. I assumed at one time they were just A&D Boxlocks? Now I have come across 5 or 6 of them lately, but haven’t handled any.
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
One is German retailed Berlin other is A&F NY retailed.

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
They look to be pure Z-M Blitz locks or triggerplate actions.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

This pic wants me to believe the tubes are chopperlump, but I am skeptical.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=545843

This shows the Blitz locks & the telltale sign is when the cocking indicators are located atop quite a ways back on the top strap from the frame.

https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/about-the-guns/gun-components/actions-and-locks/


http://www.hallowellco.com/blitz_action.htm


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Subject >>Screw<< is retaining some modified triggerplate action or variant.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,828
Likes: 12
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,828
Likes: 12
You guys sure that's a Blitz action?

That triggerplate is very narrow. It's also pretty far forward.

Also, I don't see a plate for the locks to sit on. The action has a bottom plate on it, but that plate doesn't appear to connect to the trigger plate.

Take another look at the Hallowell pics:

http://www.hallowellco.com/blitz_action.htm

OWD

Last edited by obsessed-with-doubles; 12/02/21 04:44 PM.

Good Gun Alerts & more:

www.DogsandDoubles.com
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
Well, by elimination it is not an Anson & Deeley Body Action, not a sidelock; therefore, it is some triggerplate action, variant or other.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 547
Likes: 86
Jtplumb Offline OP
Sidelock
OP Offline
Sidelock

Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 547
Likes: 86
They attached the trigger guard that way for a reason? It’s odd. Does the Breul and/or Galands that are shaped this way have the same trigger guard and 1 screw on bottom plate? I’m sure one of the gunsmiths on this site would know.

Last edited by Jtplumb; 12/02/21 07:22 PM.
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445
Likes: 201
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445
Likes: 201
Could it be a "top strap action"? I have a JGA 5,6x35R X 24 ga with such an action. The strikers etc. are attached to the top strap. John Laborde showed 2 similar guns in an article he wrote in WAIDMANNSHEIL titled "Fun Guns".
Mike

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,736
Likes: 181
It does have cocking indicators atop but a pic is warranted to see if there are the proverbial screw(s) that attach the striker block to the top strap. Meffert(Treff) peddled such an action.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard

doublegunshop.com home | Welcome | Sponsors & Advertisers | DoubleGun Rack | Doublegun Book Rack

Order or request info | Other Useful Information

Updated every minute of everyday!


Copyright (c) 1993 - 2024 doublegunshop.com. All rights reserved. doublegunshop.com - Bloomfield, NY 14469. USA These materials are provided by doublegunshop.com as a service to its customers and may be used for informational purposes only. doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. THESE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANT-ABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. doublegunshop.com further does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information, text, graphics, links or other items contained within these materials. doublegunshop.com shall not be liable for any special, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, including without limitation, lost revenues or lost profits, which may result from the use of these materials. doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk.

Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without prior written consent of the Copyright holder. For specifics on Copyright Law and restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.0.33-0+deb9u11+hw1 Page Time: 0.065s Queries: 35 (0.045s) Memory: 0.8446 MB (Peak: 1.8987 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2024-03-28 17:55:58 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS