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>>La liste de la Chambre Syndicale des fabricants d�armes de 1948-1951 compte 105 adh�rents, chiffre inf�rieur � celui inscrit � la Chambre des m�tiers, mais qui permet de trouver les plus repr�sentatifs de la corporation dans cette longue liste class�e par ordre alphab�tique :

Alloni, 12 boulevard Valbeno�te ;
Andr� et Cie, 14 place Tardy ;
Automoto, 38 rue Gutemberg ;
Balp, 3 Cours Victor Hugo ;
Bancel Marcel, 17 rue Louis Blanc ;
Basson, 13 rue du Grand Gonnet ;
Berger Louis, 60 rue Mulati�re ;
B�riola P., 13 rue Louis Blanc ;
Bergeron Louis, 7 rue Desflaches ;
Bertois Fr�res, 40 rue des Armuriers ;
Blanchard-Grange, 67 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Blondeau, 7 place Villeboeuf ;
Bonnard, 34 rue du Mus�e ;
Boucher, 12 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;
Bouniard et Barri�re, 17 rue de l�Epreuve ;
Boyer A., 62 rue du 11 Novembre ;
Breuil Jean (canonnier), 13 rue Montesquieu ;
Breuil Claude (canonnier), 4 rue du Rozier ;
Brenier & Cie, 68 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Bretton Ren�, 6 Cours Fauriel ;
Canonnerie St�phanoise, 13 rue du Vernay ;
Celle Claude, 5 rue Emile ;
Chambon Fr�res (remplac� par Jean Luquet), 38 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;
Chanson Jean, 40 rue Badouill�re ;
Chapuis, 11 rue Basse des Rives ;
Charlin, 18 rue B�ranger ;
Chartron, 3 place Desno�tte ;
Chataing & Durand (m�canique), Saint-Bonnet-le - Ch�teau ; Chaussadis, 50 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;
Chausse Claude, 21 rue Charles Rebour ;
Chausse (jeune) 9 rue Charles Rebou ;
Chavot (canonnier) 34 rue Cl�ment Forissier ;
Chevillard, 8 rue du 11 Novembre ;
Courtial et Debraye, 14 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;
Constant Pierre (second� par son fils Jean-Marie, Saint-Maurice en Gourgois (Loire) � qui succ�dera son fils Pierre ;
Damon, 7 rue des Francs-Ma�ons ;
Darne R�gis, 71 Cours Fauriel ;
Darne Francisque, 69 Cours Fauriel ;
Diard, 16 rue Cl�ment Forissier ;
Donnet et Racodon, 31 rue des Armuriers ;
Douplat Fr�res, 38 rue Badouill�re ;
Dupont, 11 rue Cuvier ;
Emonet, 12 rue Pierre Termier ;
Escot et All�gre, 6 place Villeboeuf ;
Faure Joseph, 19 rue des Armuriers ;
Faure Henri, 10 rue Cl�ment Forissier ;
Faure Victor, Le Bois d�Avaize ;
Faure Alphonse, 17 rue Claude Delaroa ;
Fayard, 77 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Foussard Lucien, 7 place Villeboeuf ;
Garnier Raymond, 55 rue Claude Delaroa ;
Gaucher Jean, 12 rue Docteur Cordier ;
Gaspard & Cie, 4 Cours Fauriel ;
Gautey, 20 rue Ferdinand ;
Gerster, 61 rue Michelet ;
Giraud Louis, 18 rue Charles Rebou ;
Giraudet, 22 rue de Terrenoire ;
Giraudon, boulevard Poincar� ;
Gonon & Portafaix, 8 rue Villeboeuf ;
Grange, 13 rue des Armuriers ;
Guichard Henri, 66 Cours Fauriel, � qui succ�dera Georges Granger ;
Guichard Maurice & Cie, 20 rue Montferr� ;
Guignand & Pailleux, 76 rue Antoine Durafour ; Guillot, 11 place Villeboeuf ;
Heurtier (canonnier), 28 rue Cl�ment Forissier ;
Humbert, 52 Cours Fauriel ;
James (canonnier), rue du Cimeti�re ;
Janisson, 28 Cours Fauriel ;
Jay Michel, rue Antoine Durafour ;
Jeay Georges, Le Grand Quartier � Sorbier ;
Jeury Victor, 24 rue Badouill�re ;
Lasherme, 99 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Laspoussas-Driol & Cie (repreneur de Berthon et Didierfusil devient S.I.F.A.R.M.), 8 place Villeboeuf ;
Latcher L�on (repris par Plotton & Barret), 131 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Leyre Pierre, 30 Cours Fauriel ;
Maisonnial Aim�, 13 rue Cl�ment Forissier ;
Manufacture Fran�aise d�Armes et de Cycles, Cours Fauriel ;
Manufacture Nationale d�Armes, 2 rue Javelin Pagnon ;
Marnas, 13 rue du Rozier ;
Marsault, 6 boulevard Valbeno�te ;
Martin-Dubost, 38 rue Badouill�re ;
Mathieu, 25 rue Badouill�re ;
Maumey Jean-Baptiste, 35 rue Mulati�re ;
Meunier, 7 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;
Montagny A�n�, 48 rue Gambetta ;
Montcoudiol Lucien (M�canique), Saint-Bonnet-le-Ch�teau ;
Odegaard, quartier de Beaulieu ;
Oriol P�re & Fils, 58 boulevard Valbeno�te ;
Oriol (canonnier, 22 rue Rouget de l�Isle ;
Pascal, 7 rue Pierre Blachon ;
Pelletier Yves, 35 rue Mulati�re ;
Peugeot, 46 rue Gutemberg ;
Philippon Marcel P�re & fils (repreneurs d�Autechaud & Bonnavion), 17 rue Pierre Termier ;
Piat, 22 Cours Gustave Nadaud ;
Picard-Fayolle, 42 rue du Vernay ;
Pichon, 31 rue C�sard Bertholon ;
Plotton & Barret, 96 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Picot Fr�res, 10 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;
Merley & Pouly (canonnier repreneur de Fanget), Andr�zieux ; Mondiale, 2 Cours Fauriel ;
Preynat, 21 rue des Armuriers ;
Ressayre, 8 Boulevard Valbeno�te ;
Rey (successeur de Brun-Latrige), 7 Cours Fauriel ;
Reymond, 40 rue D�sir�-Claude ;
Ribe L�on, 104 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Ribeyre, 60 rue Mulati�re ;
Rivolier P�re & Fils, 21 rue C�sard Bertholon ;
Roullier-Baume, 4 bis rue Badouill�re ;
Roux Louis, 3 rue du Vernay ;
Sabatier, 31 rue du 11 Novembre ;
Sabot Francisque (canonnier), 67 rue C�sard Bertholon ;
Sabot Joann�s, 14 rue des Francs Ma�ons ;
Saillant Prosper, boulevard Valbeno�te ;
Salanon, 21 chemin des Accacias ;
Saunier, 3 rue Jules Vall�s ;
Sauvinet, 31 rue C�sard Bertholon ;
S�lect-Armes (Victor Jourgeon), 103 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Seytre-Montagny, 68 rue Mulati�re ;
Sigaud Fils, 56 Cours Fauriel ;
Soleilhac, 12 rue des Armuriers ;
Soulier, 83 rue Antoine Durafour ;
Staron, 14 rue des Francs-Ma�ons ;
Soci�t� G�n�rale de M�canique, 6 Cours Fauriel ;
Soci�t� Moderne de Fabrications M�caniques (Rouby & Montuclard), 56 rue Tarentaize ;
Thivillier, 4 rue des Armuriers ;
Tissot, 8 rue Tr�filerie ; Tournaire, 4 rue Arago ; Vacher, 2 rue Jean-Baptiste David ;
Vassal (remplac� par G�rard Geffroy), 13 rue Franklin ;
Verdiell, 16 rue de Champagne ;
Verney-Carron, 17 Cours Fauriel ;
V�rot, 36 Cours Fauriel ;
Villebonnet, 61 rue Liogier ;
Zavattero, 24 rue Jean-Claude Tissot.

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Originally Posted by canvasback
I looked on Naturabuy this morning. No MF hammer guns and no MF 32 (or .410).

But I’ve seen them in the past.

Any memory on price asked?


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Salut,

Ce fusil est un modèle n° 180. Comme on peut le lire sur la page du catalogue, il était destiné aux femmes et aux jeunes hommes.
Il est dans les catalogues de 1910 à 1914 et ne réapparait pas après la première guerre mondiale.
Sur le canon gauche, on peut y voir la charge d'épreuve ainsi que la charge d'utilisation.
En France, sa valeur ne va pas au-delà de 500 €.

Ted l'a très bien souligné. Ce sont les fabricants qui choisissent le type de poudre, ainsi que la charge en France. Après 1923, ce ne sera plus le cas.


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No "and Cycles" on the catalog page. Not sure this is the right catalog....plus this one is 28 pages long when the entry says it's at least 70
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Great info & well worth the 500 Euros.


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Originally Posted by Argo44
I put Ideal in "?" just in case. Eliminating the ideal from the dating equation doesn't change much of anything.

The fact it was 32 bore should have been evident from the 13.0 stamped on the water table.

1898 catalog for Manufrance exists. -great document with complete explanations barrel manufacture, powders in use, proofing, chokes, etc.
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k97891530.texteImage

This looks like the model (this is black powder - semi smokeless on p.70 of the catalog):
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This is very close ! The other add posted from 1914 is different. When the barrels are open there is no metal that comes out of the stock on top. So I would say it's definitely in the 1890's; many catalogs on the site you posted. To narrow down, I would have to hit the laptop and not use this android phone. Very hard to scroll these catalogs on phone; then throw French in the equation. 😁

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Ah...Merci Fab, Nous vous attendions! Translation:

This gun is a model Nr. 180. As one can read in the catalogue, it was meant for women or young men.
It is in the catalogs from 1910-1914 and did not reappear after the First World War.
On the left barrel, you can see the proof as well as the use marks. In France it's value is not more than 500 Euros.

Ted very well underlined (the problem). It was the gun makers who chose the type of powder, and also the charge of power in France (for proofing the gun). After 1923, this was no longer the case.

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Originally Posted by ellenbr
Originally Posted by canvasback
I looked on Naturabuy this morning. No MF hammer guns and no MF 32 (or .410).

But I’ve seen them in the past.

Any memory on price asked?


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When I have seen MF Hammerguns (relatively few compared to the Ideals and Robusts) IIRC prices have been under 2000 euros. To narrow it a bit, 500 to 1500.

I can make no comment about how gauge may effect price on the hammerguns as they were not the focus of my interest. Ideals make up the largest number of listings followed by Robusts and then Ideal-Robusts. The impact of gauge is felt in the hammerless pricing but I would say not to the extent that it is in NA.

Disclaimer. While I spent about 5 years looking at MF Ideals on Naturabuy weekly, I have not been paying attention for about the last 3 years. Importing to Canada got significantly more difficult.

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Originally Posted by Argo44
Ah...Merci Fab, Nous vous attendions! Translation:

This gun is a model Nr. 180. As one can read in the catalogue, it was meant for women or young men.
It is in the catalogs from 1910-1914 and did not reappear after the First World War.
On the left barrel, you can see the proof as well as the use marks. In France it's value is not more than 500 Euros.

Ted very well underlined (the problem). It was the gun makers who chose the type of powder, and also the charge of power in France (for proofing the gun). After 1923, this was no longer the case.
Dave I have sent you another picture via email. Note the difference on top of barrel. Later add appears to be Damascus as well.

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Agree that this in is for someone of small stature at 39" over all length and LOP of 13.5". Would work well for me as my LOP is much shorter than average.

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