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A while back we had a discussion about the serial numbers on the Model 21s and Tony Galazan claims to have built any Model 21 with a serial number higher than 32,000. I recently ran across the pictures and info (that I had misplaced) on these guns that were for sale at the Grand American at Jaqua's a few years ago. Their serial numbers are higher than 32,000 and according to Jaqua's, they were built by The U.S. Repeating Arms and not by Tony Galazan. Here is the info on the guns....... (1) Serial number W38018, 21-4, .410, straight grip, BTFE, 26" barrels, WS1-WS2, checkered butt, single trigger, gold medalion with no intials, "CUSTOM BUILT BY WINCHESTER" on the top of the rib. price- $17,500.........(2)serial number W38025, 21-5, 20 gauge (28")IC/M + 28 gauge (26") IC/M, 2 barrel set, BTFE, single trigger, gold medallion with no initials, checkered butt, "CUSTOM BUILT BY WINCHESTER" on the top of the rib. price-$16,000..... (3) serial number W33311, 21-4, 28 gauge, 26", straight grip, checkered butt, BTFE, single trigger, WS1-WS2, gold medallion with no initials, "CUSTOM BUILT BY WINCHESTER" on the top of the rib that is upside down. (no price) These were three guns with a serial number higher than 32,000 that were NOT built by Galazan.
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I'm not sure what the last Winchester serial was, but it was(and many others were) over 32000(many assembled by Galazan). The Galazan made Model 21 started at 38000. For more money, and by agreement with Olin, Galazan would, and will pull the Winchester name on a M21. W38018 & W38025 were in this catagory. W33311 was a USRA made frame that may/or may not have been assembled by Galazan.
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There are hundreds of Model 21s made in the fifties that are well into the 32,000 series. I sure don't remember Tony getting in on any internet discussion about Model 21 serial numbers. If he made the claim to have made any Model 21 over serial number 32,000, he was mistaken.
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Don't know where you heard that one but I never did.
As stated there are many Winchester Model 21's with serial # higher than 32K, built by Winchester. I had 33412, A 32" 12 gauge 'Custom Built By Winchester' without a W prefix, so built before 1968 and since not a Custom Grade, built before 1962. If A USRAC gun it would say 'Custom Built Winchester'.
Now this gun could have been produced from parts by Tony but I showed him the gun and he didn't make it but he did purchase it from me.-Dick
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"If he made the claim to have made any Model 21 over serial number 32,000, he was mistaken."
I think this in error. The CSM M21's he's building now are serial numbers starting at 38,000. 38005 is for sale on Cabela's site now
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Bill Jaqua told me that these were all built by US Repeating Arms and he had the boxes for them and they had USRA on them. I did take some pics of them standing next to some Purdey matched sets. A lot of money in that rack that day. I think the Purdeys sold for $90,000.
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What part of "Galazan building them with the Winchester name(USRA) on them",at higher cost, is not being understood?
I guess it was something I just made up.
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Tudurgs, go back and read the original statement by Jimmy W where he says that Tony says he made "any Model 21 over serial number 32,000". I disputed this statement and said "If he said that he made any Model 21 with a serial number over 32,000, he was mistaken." I know the wording may have been confusing, but I mean by my statement that Tony did not make all Model 21s over serial number 32,000 because Winchester and USRA made many Model 21s over serial number 32,000. Tony may have made "any Model 21 with serial number over 38,000", but he didn't make them all over 32,000.
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I didn't say you made anything up, Don. But I had once asked one of the guys who worked for him at the Louisville show about the serial numbers. He said anything higher than a serial number in the 32000s (32999) were made by Tony. When I asked about the ones that Bill sold (the three I mentioned, he said that they were made by USRA and not Galazan's. He had the boxes and the paperwork for all three of these guns. One of the other salesmen told me that they were from the Ranzau collection and were purchased by them from USRA. I remember his son telling me he had 6 Model 21s. That is why I always figured that all the guns higher than the 32000s were not all Galazan's. Just passing along the info. But I have seen a few 21s higher than in the 32000s over the years at gun shows that were easy to tell that they were older guns. I figured someone could have ordered special serial numbers which made them higher than in the 32000s. Guess we'll never know for sure.
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