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Guns go off the face only with use the size of load used is also a contributing factor so no make of gun is immune from this. I have repaired nearly new guns with loose ribs and more Spanish offerings than I care to remember. Of course gunman's opinion is just his a opinion the same as mine just opinion, he cant have seen every gun built by w & S over the years." having heard of" as far as I see does not carry any weight for a convincing argument as they say talk is cheap fact is costly. For so many guns to be out there and working their reliability must be high enough for the thousands sold around the world. Finally all the working parts of a 700 can be made by hand with a file occasionally a lathe if necessary I do know this because over the years I have done it they are internally so basic. If you read my earlier post you will have noticed I stated a favourable opinion of reliability re 700s. That does not disguise the fact that faults can arise in the guns. Yes, faults happen in all guns but we are talking 700s here . As stated my own preference is for an earlier screw grip 400 or A&W action.Finally on your argument of cheap talk and " having heard of" I am relaying my personal experiences and that of many honest shooting friends, in and out of the trade, who have vast knowledge of British guns . Regards
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Damascus, absolutely no offense intended, but I feel a need to remind folks that any gun's objective handling is a combination of weight, balance (teeter-totter point) relative to (front) trigger, unmounted swing effort, and mounted swing effort. Subjective handling is an individual shooter's personal feeling/satisfaction as to the combination of handling factors (above). None of these four factors is stand-alone. There is no single factor that sums up handling.
Weight requires a weigh scale, balance requires a fulcrum and a ruler, and swing efforts require measurement of the moment of inertia at the balance point. Balance is often misused to mean handling. Unfortunately, there is no overall "balance" of a gun and there are no secret magical ways of "making a good handling gun."
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SKB said "What is not to like?" referring to hand made Birmingham boxlocks. Well, the high cost of simple maintenance is one reason. Other reasons are evident throughout this thread.
The usual mantra is that a SXS should be cleaned and serviced annually or at least biannually. On a hand made SXS that job has a considerable cost. A SXS action that allows owner maintenance with not special tools has an advantage that is important to many people.
From the engineering and design point of view the 626 action has the Anson Deeley beat on every point. The solid cross pin and V springs being the start and it goes on from there. I had two V springs, one tumbler one ejector, break on me, it was not fun. A gunsmith friend who worked for Boss has called the solid cross pin a manufacturing perversion.
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I enjoy nicely made items, especially nice guns when I hunt. A bit of maintenance does not bother me. It sounds like you have had some bad luck. My own guns have not needed near the amount of repair yours have required. I do drive a very practical vehicle, a Toyota Tacoma. To each their own but I'll stick with hand made British guns thanks. I find they suit my purpose just fine, with a minimum amount of hassle and they bring me great pleasure, something that mass produced guns do not do for me.
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The Beretta has the a&d beat on every point except soul and a human touch you can get a 400 fit and finished by 20 makers .each one might add it's own take on engraving ,stocking.straight hand pow, full pistol.something to make most shot gun lover smile.
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and how do you assign value to soul?
Few of us who are truly doublegun aficionados value practicality over nostalgia. If I wanted a nice practical gun I would be on the Benelli forum but I'm not. I fill my freezer every year with wild game, not because it is less costly but because I thoroughly enjoy my time an the field and vintage double add to my experience. YMMV,
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And that's what I was trying to say ,the value is the work some unknown craftsman put in to a gun because he could .like Len bull would say ,,you go back and do that right this isn't fkn cogswell and harrison .
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Well, at least Coggie had a real factory and made most of their own guns in house…that means multiple known craftsmen actually ran the machines, sat at the bench and did the work…..completely opposite of what happened at E.M. Reilly’s super Walmart/Sears catalog store.😂.
I know, that wasn’t nice at all.😒
I wonder what Len Bull would say about a Extra Quality Victor?
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So defensive ,Len was working at Holland and Holland at the time and if you did something substandard you were told to do it to Holland's standards .not cogswell and harrison.
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Mark, I miss Leonard’s visits to Dennis’s class! Great stories from a wealth of knowledge told by a guy that was there. I can’t look at a Coggy with out hearing Leonard!
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