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Is that a braze on the tube for the buttstock draw bolt? Maybe it broke/cracked when the wrist got cracked.
Single barrels can be great fun. I have a 32" barreled trap gun I play with occasionally on a dove field. Good luck with yours. Yep, there is a braze there. I thought when I pulled the stock off, and my first thought was a repair. I examined it closely and to me it looks like a perfectly square joint cut completely across on both pieces. The thoruoughbolt hole actually has quite a bit of clearance. Some guns, such as three Martini's I have worked on recently have short tang bores and the bolt fits ridoculouslyclose in the hole. I have never seen one of these before, but to me it looks like a threaded tube with the the female threads was brazed to a short stub at the back of the action. The action itself is pretty long, and so is the bolt tang. It may have been made this way to avoid an overlong casting. The bolt hole is not through bored through the tang stub but the piece behind the braze is through drilled and fully tapped . The spring assembly mounted there rests against a solid section at the back. It may have been the easiest way to construct. Brazing was a common procedure in their factory, given the several barrel/breech techniques used for their guns (see the latest book on the Ideal). Also, they were a huge maker of every style of bicycle, so their brazing techniques would have been first rate. As to the crack, the stock alignment seems to depend on the round rear if the tang and the fact that the entire rear of the action is curved in 3 dimensions. The actual tang section is parallel, so I don't believe recoil would cause a crack near the front of the stock where it did. If the heading was inprecise, I think it would crack at the back. The crack itself is only a little over a quarter inch on the surface and tapers out into the tang inlet. I suspect the crack was caused by dropping or sideways pressure. It is at the very thinnist part of the wrist wood, and couldn't possibly have put enough pressure or force to crack or break the tang without completely breaking or smashing the stock. The tang threaded reciever is a roughly 7/16" diameter metal fixture. Salut AGS, On est clairement sur une réparation. Les bascules du fusil SIMPLEX étaient mono bloc. A partir de 1931, cette partie sera légèrement raccourcie.
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Thanks for the reply. If repaired, it was an excellent job with the two parts being faced off before the repair.
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![[Linked Image from i.goopics.net]](https://i.goopics.net/800/2d166y.jpg) Salut Argo, Ce poinçon sur le fusil est spécifique à la Manufacture Modèle, filiale de vente de la Manufacture d'Armes de Saint Etienne. Il a dû se produire un souci lors du marquage des poinçons d'épreuve. D'ailleurs, il n'est pas complet. Pour résumer, de 1923 à 1927, les armes MF ainsi que MM ont les mêmes poinçons d'épreuve. A partir de 1928, les armes MM ont des nouveaux poinçons comme sur la photo. Le numéro de modèle n'étant pas inscrit sur ce fusil, on ne peut faire que des suppositions. Je pense à un 8E antérieur à 1931 ou à un 44 postérieure à 1930. D'ailleurs le nombre 44 est inscrit sur la crosse au niveau de la plaque de couche. Comme toi, je pense qu'on peut dire que la pièce 17 est une gâchette d'armement. I just translated this, Hi Argo, This hallmark on the rifle is specific to the Manufacture Modèle, a sales subsidiary of the Manufacture d'Armes de Saint Etienne. There must have been a problem when marking the proof marks. Moreover, it is not complete. To summarize, from 1923 to 1927, the weapons MF as well as MM have the same punches of test. From 1928, the MM weapons have new punches as in the photo. The model number is not listed on this rifle, we can only make assumptions. I am thinking of an 8E before 1931 or a 44 after 1930. Besides the number 44 is inscribed on the butt at the level of the butt plate. Like you, I think we can say that piece 17 is an arming trigger. I f you look, there is a small 8 stamped on each of the metal parts. I had noticed that the rather large 44 appeared on the buttstock, with the two 4's not matched in size. Given the gun, catalog listings and your info, would a guess of a 1930-31 period transition gun make sense? It could have been assembled from parts meant for the two different models. Or, it could have experienced a major failure (the tang stock joint) and a replacement stock installed on a pre-1930 gun with a post 1931 new stock. No way to prove, but certainly believeable. Your chart would also maybe show the meaning of the double E's previously discussed.
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One other quick note. If you use Chrome as a brower, simply turn on Google translate, select French to English, check to always translate and Argo's posts will be converted to English.
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Amazing, spent 40 years learning a language (badly) and now if you can scan, you can translate. Fortunately there are a few items which won't work with google translate - photographed articles, catalogs, etc. such as the simplex catalog posted above. You have to translate those items the old way. Still looking at the advances google has made in their translation program it's pretty amazing. Every person on this board, even if not on chrome (and I'm not), can still scan a text, go to google translate, paste in the text and a darned good translation will appear. But no matter - still be careful of technical terms. "Pièce d’armement", "Gâchette interruptrice" or "gâchette d'armement" does not = "arming trigger". 
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I did check the ejector today, and it is a selective ejector. No shot, extracts on open. After shot, ejects a heavy snap cap 8-10 ft. Need safety glasses.
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AGS, you have whetted my appetite unfortunately. I have hated to admit this but I shot my old 870 as well or better than my SxS's and this has got me thinking about pointing characteristics...probably why Church 120 years ago created the O/U. I really can't abide that o/u heresy but a single shot .... that's another thing...especially since the family of my wife, the grandfather-grandmother etc. of my children...are from Saint-Chamond a short distance from Saint-Étienne. The always referred to Manufrance as "La Manu."
I fear I will have to smuggle something into the house. I have reserved the last space for the #2 of my 1886 Reilly 16 gauge s/l SxS which is now hidden away by a guy in Massachusetts. But I have that old $5 single barrel legacy gun stored with my brother. Perhaps I could claim it were a Simplex, if I could find a good one, and smuggle it past the gate keeper? Switch and look innocent? Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations. ("Ne rien admettre, tout nier, faire des contre-accusations.")
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