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John Allen, who once owned Game Fair in Nashville, was the world's worst at this, no matter the gun, bless his heart.
JR

You guys just don't understand. This is the price, write the check. "Rare" doesn't enter into it.

Rare is just a selling hype. Some things are only rare because they were crap when new and still crap. Some things are rare because they got used up. Something’s are rare because they just did not sell. I can see a very high grade gun being rare because few were made but calling any run of the mill gun rare is dealer hype. Had one dealer telling me I need to buy his 26” gun because in time those rare short barrels would be what everyone wants. Still waiting on that to happen.

I agree Eightbore. Really rare is rarely rare, just claims to being rare, often when they are not really rare. If it was a catalog item they are not likely rare. If they have been refinished then rare means absolutely nothing to the collector. You are more likely to call a high grade gun rare because they made fewer of them. But if they made a thousand or even five hundred are they rare at all?

Rarely do you hear the term "Scarce" which I believe better describes this
early 30's 6 pound 20 gauge.



...oft times it's medium rare

Rare means scarce or few. A gun can be rare, but not desirable. Big difference.
JR

Back in the '80s I was at a small gunshow north of Anchorage, Alaska. One of the first tables I saw had a Winchester Skeet Model 21, 16 gauge. It had what I think was original European, straight grip, and beavertail. Price was $1100. As I was walking away with the purchased gun, the seller yelled at me. I sort of froze since I felt I got a bargain. As, he caught up with me he said "you forgot the case". It was a Winchester marked leg-o-mutton made perfectly for the gun. It seems I have been hopeful for deals like that ever since.

And, some things can be desirable, but not rare.

I once had a M21 in 20 gauge with double triggers (like yours)---mine had ejectors---not sure if yours has extractors or ejectors. Not sure whether that makes it rare, scarce, collectible or whatever, but I wish that I had kept it.
Bill

I acquired a Tournament Grade Model 21 ga with double triggers AND ejectors. Was originally a long island lady's duck gun. It had been opened to more useful chokes for my intended use before I bought it. It had been beautifully restocked but had a error on the checkering. I regret not letting the stock maker from Montgomery, Willis I believe, "put it right". I also has the defect of 26" barrels, no longer in favor. Interesting gun, have not shot it in years, need to dig it out.

Sorry about digging up an old thread, but I just saw that Steve Barnett has a Model 21 that is stamped TRAP SKEET. In all the years I have been looking and buying Model 21s, I have never seen a 21 with both of those words on the gun. The barrels are choked WS1 and WS2.