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Many have "For 2 inch case only" on the rib or barrel in gold or silver block letter (kinda unattractive actually). Hmm, well this one does have that. Seems informational to me or perhaps traditional. Is there something on the action that identifies it as made by S&W?...Geo
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[ Many have "For 2 inch case only" on the rib or barrel in gold or silver block letter (kinda unattractive actually). Hmm, well this one does have that. Seems informational to me or perhaps traditional. Is there something on the action that identifies it as made by S&W?...Geo Just pin locations and distinctive shape and size.
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The only non S&W guns that I have seen so far are a wryly a couple porky Purdeys and a brace of Hollands.
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_________ BrentD, (Professor - just for Stan)
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In addition to the shape and pin locations, the Inscription regrading two inch cases seems to appear on guns made by S&W and those that were rebadged. My 2" 12 ga. by Charles Hellis is one such gun. Also the guns made by S&W often have the initials "JA" on a barrel just ahead of the flats. Joseph Asbury was a top barrel and action maker in the Birmingham trade who made most of the actions and barrels for S&W 2" 12 ga. between the wars according to this resource: https://www.shotguns.se/html/uk_trademarks.htmlGil
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Borderbill has done yeoman's work on loads for the 2" 12 ga. Now if I could find a source for Clays...Unfortunately Hodgdon has temporarily stopped production of Clays and has stated that it may restart next year. Internet searches for it have yielded "too good to be true" prices (scams) or old ads from defunct companies. If anyone has a reliable source, please pm me. Gil
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Perry: They might, but they're mostly for law enforcement so 00 buck would be the standard load. Good catch tho... Federal has them in 00 buck AND 7.5 and 8. Bulldog Firearms in Rio Rancho New Mexico has a bunch of them in the bird shot. The Aquila minishell is pretty high pressure. Federal minis are also hot. These shells aren’t made for vintage 2” gun but for self defense. See this thread Minishells Ken
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I have seen Clay Dot recently which is very close to Clays. I would load up a set and send them out for testing. I loaded Bullseye and Red Dot for mine. I sent all my data down the road when I sold my gun. I never found a factory shell which was not unpleasant to shoot in such a light gun but back then RST was not around. My go to hull was a cut down Federal Paper hull with a roll crimp. They were cute little fellows. From memory the Red Dot was 15.5 grains but I would have them tested. $25-40.00 for a test is very cheap indeed. Also Titewad and Extralite could be a starting point with a little load development.
The 2" was a neat gun but I could do the same with a 20 or 28 easier. If I were stomping around the woods carrying a 5 pound 12 might make sense but on the Skeet field or Dove field I went another direction. To each their own. Hope you enjoy your new gun Geo.
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In speaking with a gunsmith who is also a fan of the 2" Twelve, he prefers it in the field over the 20 and 28 SXS because of arthritis in his carry hand. The size of the 12 is more comfortable in his hand rather than a smaller to grasp scaled 20 or 28 ga. I have had success loading the International 7/8 oz. load which is in the BP Short Hulls brochure. If anyone would like a copy, PM your email address and I'll respond with attachment. Gil
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Don’t forget the attempts by the Spaniards.
Out there doing it best I can.
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