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Any retailer, I think I got mine at target USA, 89.99 for 300 rounds, I sold some here on the board awhile back. They are a nice load at 5/8oz.

The Challenger 1 3/4 shells leaded the hell out my barrels. They use a plastic over powder gas seal with some type of collapsible form and no shot cup. The lead must be very soft. My reloads have no problem as I use a waxed wad.

What sort of waxed wad do you use and where do you get them? I usually lube my own and that's an ugly mess I would prefer to avoid.

Ballistic products hard waxed wad works well. The same or similar is sold by Precision reloading. These appear to be the same wads that Kent used to use in their fiber loads. I still have a flat of 12's and 20's and I took one of each apart at one time. A friend gave me a whole lot of Winchester Molded Fiber wads and Alcans both of which are waxed and surprisingly haven't dried out. In those lots that I got were a 1000 Lujtic Mono wads. I've been experimenting with these in 2" shells and Fed paper. I've been working at full fiber loads for 2" but had to step back a bit of late. I believe Gil has been pursuing that with some success.

I could not find those wads at Precision, but I'll look again. I'm avoiding BPI if at all possible.

I've been talking with Gil. His home made wads are pretty cool, but I'm trying to minimize hassles so I can shoot more.

Thanks.

Drew,

The Lancaster 2” pygmies had problems with shot balling in 2.5” guns in the late 1890s. According to this article Gale the pygmies were the forerunner to the 2” gun. I’ve seen other articles where the Pygmies were made to allow more cartridges to be carried to the shoot. The 2” gun didn’t come out until approximately 1930 and the Pygmies were first brought out in the late 1890s. A long time for a great idea to catch on.

Ken

What is "shot balling"? Is that a gun or a cartridge problem. I would guess the latter, whatever it is.

"Shot Balling" is when individual shot pellets clump together on discharge & create a heavier projectile which puts people down range such as beaters on driven hunts & dogs in danger.

I read somewhere that the issue w/ the Pygmie cartridges was due to the reduced amount of wadding that resulted from trying to get an equivalent amount of shot in a 2" cartridge that was normally carried in a 2 1/2".

Here is a link to an article about shot balling in cartridges in long chambers: http://www.fourten.org.uk/tw_Blown_%20Patterns%20and%20_Balled%20Shot_.pdf

Interesting. I have patterned a fair number of cartridges in my 2". So far, I have not seen ic, but I'll watch for it.