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Back on p. 8 Ken

Curtis’s & Harvey “Diamond Smokeless” (introduced in 1903) and Nobel’s Explosive Co.'s “Empire” were both 11 grains/dram equivalent
26 grains = 2.36 Dr. Eq
28 grains = 2.55 Dr. Eq.

The standard "light" 12g turn-of-the-century loading was 1 oz. with 40 grains of 14 gr./dram eq. "Schultze" or "E.C." = slightly more than 2 3/4 Dr. Eq.

From 1912 Curtis & Harvey’s Smokeless Diamond 12g 2 1/2” case 33 gr. (3 Dram) 1 oz. = 8,288 psi so 2.55 Dr. Eq. would be less than 8000 psi

Burrard reported 12g 2” 7/8 oz. 2.36 Dr. Eq. standard service at 6,440 psi

Although this article is all about house-clearing buckshot loads for whatever, the load is interesting to the guns here, if 382 grs of # 7.5s are substituted for 396 grs of #4 buck.

Wish I could find some Clays.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/latest-loads-12-ga-2-shotshell/

H&H Dominion 2" with 1 oz. proof courtesy of Bro. Venters
The SN is 34052. Could someone please look up the DOM and thanks?

Drew,

Without calling H&H in Dallas, I don’t think you can get an exact date. Dallas’s book shows serial #s 34000-34401 as being made 1934-1940 and 1946-1950 for Badminton and Dominion guns.

Ken

Weren't some H&H guns, major parts, outsourced?? Gil

Yes, the Badminton along with the Dominion were Birmingham made, and of course their early guns before they built their own factory were outsourced. A.A. Brown made many Holland & Holland Badminton guns. Donal Dallas quotes that all Badminton guns were Birmingham made, but I have often wondered if after WWII when Holland was beginning again to make sporting guns if Holland did build some Badminton's at their factory in London. It should be noted that Birmingham firms such as A.A.Brown could and did build guns equal to anything produced by the best gun builders of London; and they still do as witnessed by the stunning the new pair of O/U's.

Kindest Regards;
Stephen Howell

The H&H gun was made in 1935. That was the only time they designated the model as Centenary (Henry Holland opened his tobacco shop in 1835) Looks very similar to a gun I imported several years ago and sold back to the H&H NYC branch. Interestingly the Wall thickness was .014", yes 14thou. I pointed this out to Guy Davies as he looked over the gun. He responded "Don't worry about that that's the way we made them"

What prompted my inquiry about H&H outsourcing was the warning on the depicted gun's rib. It smacks of Skimin & Wood, a major supplier to A.A. Brown, which was purchased by A.A. Brown after the war. Gil

It would be nice to see the rest of this gun and maybe some dimensions and weight. It is obviously not an S&W action. Some Purdies I have seen were also obviously not S&W guns but they were also very nearly 6#, so some what porky in comparison. S&W actions are notably narrow behind the fences as well as across the breech face and perhaps short from breech face to pivot pin.

good points. The verbiage is the same, although the execution so much more tasteful. But then it is a Holland.