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So here's a strange one that joined the collection .. Kettner DR for Big & small game. 11mm & 22 lr.





kettner dr

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Mike

That is an interesting gun ,cape gun meets weatherby

.22 and 11 mm? Quite a strange combination. I wonder what the story behind that is? A squirrel/deer rifle I guess. The scope on it looks very out of place and might be a little challenging to use with what looks like a lot of drop in the stock. But it was certainly somebody's baby once upon a time. How does it handle with the extra weight of a thick .22 liner? Too bad they didn't settle for a Crosno Insert instead.

I will have the gun in hand by week's end and will have more info at that time.

There is little to no doubt that it has also been restocked as well. An einstecklauf would have been a better choice than a liner, both from the weight standpoint and you can adjust the POI of an einstecklauf. Given the clock hand cocking indicators and the Mauser Base cartridge, the gun is older than its refurbished condition makes it appear.
Mike

Well,

We will see when I get it in hand later this week.

Hello All,

I got the rifle in hand today - it turns its NOT a 22 lr .... its 22 Hornet x 11x60 caliber.

It weighs 8 pounds 10.5 ounces - 25-1/4" barrels - Both Triggers are SET Triggers - Buffalo Horn Grooved Butt Plate - Nikon Prostaff Scope with BDC reticle - Clock Hand Cocking Indicatore - Manual Safety (non-automato) - All Original Finish both Wood and Metal.

Tomorrow I take it afield and test it.



breech and calibe

I can't really read the side of the tube, but it appears to have passed thru the Z-M Proof Facility.

From the marks, it also appears that both tubes were 11mm X 60R and @ some point the left tube was sleeved, etc.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Too, it looks like the tubes were originally >>62/78<< bore then the left landed up being >>54/35<<??(5,4X35???) & received an insert or was sleeved?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

How did you determine original wood?what year was the barreled action made? At some point it was altered to the existing calibers I am very surprised the gun is original.it would be fun to shoot

Hello ellenbr,

Yes, you can see fragments of the original 11mm left tube marking. The caliber numbers "5.4 / 35" are over-stamped when the barrel was later sleeved.

Hello mc,

I have several European rifles and doubles and in my opinion wood and metal appear to be original. I'm not sure of year of mfg. I don't recognize a typical proof house date stamp. Other than the numbers shown in the pictures above, ( number 62687 is the serial number, on the bottom of the left barrel flat, numbers 933 / 1643 are on the bottom of the right barrel flat ) there is the number "1341" on the bottom of the original 11x60 right barrel. No doubt, the 22 Hornet sleeve was later added, and the "5.4 / 35" was stamped over the original 11mm caliber stamp. As can be seen in the breech photo, the sleeve and extractor work was very professionally done.

buckstix,
See my comments on the GGCA site, underneath Axel's.
Mike

Hello All,

Here is a shooting update. I custom loaded both 22 Hornet ammo and 11mm Mauser ammo. (loads are shown on the targets) I fired the right 11mm barrel first, followed by the 22 hornet barrel. I fired 5 shots each barrel to zero the scope. After the 22 Hornet barrel was zero at 50 yds, I fired a 3 shot group with the 11mm barrel that went into a 1 inch group. Although left-to-right was good, the 11mm group was 10 inches low.

And now I understand the reason for the Nikon Prostaff Scope. The reticle is BDC = "Bullet-Drop-Compesator" that consists of a series of small aiming circles, below center, along the vertical wire. These circles are for reference "hold-over" for various ranges beyond initial zero. The aiming method I used is shown to the right of the target pictured below. Although the aiming was different for the 2 calibers, its easy to remember and use when hunting.



KETTNER TARGET