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Just bought this one, German market gun with cocking indicators, horn insert and trigger guard also upgraded special 3 ring steel barrels. Doesn’t look like a screw has ever been turned and I don’t see many of these Sauers with horn guards like other German market guns? Can one of you explain the wild man crown thing to me again? I did just read something about hand regulating chokes were an option back in the day? 14.75 lop so I think this may be an original unmolested lighter 12ga? I hope it’s 6.5-7lbs will know in a week or so.

Jeff Stephens' List would put it having been issued a serial number @ the onset of WWI and Lyund's list a year or two later. But the position of the >>Nitro<< Stamp puts it @ least @ the end of WWI if not in the early 1920s.


The Crown is either a Quality Crown or a Shooting Performance Crown. This one just might be the latter, where it was taken to the range & tweaked.

The Horn triggerbow guard is typical for cold weather environs and is quite common on inland Sauers.

Nothing short with anything about this Sauer.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The Wildmann stamp is an old Sauer Process stamp, possibly a Quality type indicator, and I have seen as many as 4 on one tube early on..... On the underside of the left tube there looks to be a couple Wildmann stamps and another or two I just cannot make out. Then there's initials on the lower rib.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thanks appreciate the info. This one is a little plain looking but seems to be very high quality work that’s not been screwed with. I do like the stars in the stippling quite a bit, hope those 3 ring barrels are light. Now I have 2 XIV the other one is VL&D with ejectors but weighs 7.5#.
If this was a 16ga I would be ecstatic!

from memory, if there are two crowns, one will be somewhat larger than the other....and i believe the smaller is the quality mark, and the larger is the one for shooting performance. in this case, i think the crown is the smaller version.

best regards,

tom

Here is the text that Geno posted.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

It appears the Larger Crown as higher lobes and the Crown stamp of the subject longarm looks to have similar higher lobes?

https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=197052&Searchpage=1&Main=15668&Words=Woodsrunner38%27s&Search=true#Post197052

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Judging by size I would guess this one is the smaller of the 2 crowns but I could be wrong. Thanks all very helpful and interesting.

Again, this Sauer longarm just may have been issued a serial number around the onset of the 1st Great Disagreement in Europe, but it didn't pass thru the Suhl Proof facility till sometime between the End of WWI and the early 1920s.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Gun came in today 15in + lop. I was correct it is much lighter than my other.







Choked .015 .030. 2.75 chambers now someone opened up