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1912 Sauer XIV questions #633370 07/26/23 09:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95 Jtplumb OP Sidelock
OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Just bought this one, German market gun with cocking indicators, horn insert and trigger guard also upgraded special 3 ring steel barrels. Doesn’t look like a screw has ever been turned and I don’t see many of these Sauers with horn guards like other German market guns? Can one of you explain the wild man crown thing to me again? I did just read something about hand regulating chokes were an option back in the day? 14.75 lop so I think this may be an original unmolested lighter 12ga? I hope it’s 6.5-7lbs will know in a week or so. Last edited by Jtplumb; 07/26/23 10:07 AM.

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633376 07/26/23 12:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama	Jeff Stephens' List would put it having been issued a serial number @ the onset of WWI and Lyund's list a year or two later. But the position of the >>Nitro<< Stamp puts it @ least @ the end of WWI if not in the early 1920s. The Crown is either a Quality Crown or a Shooting Performance Crown. This one just might be the latter, where it was taken to the range & tweaked. The Horn triggerbow guard is typical for cold weather environs and is quite common on inland Sauers. Nothing short with anything about this Sauer. Serbus, Raimey rse

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633377 07/26/23 12:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama	The Wildmann stamp is an old Sauer Process stamp, possibly a Quality type indicator, and I have seen as many as 4 on one tube early on..... On the underside of the left tube there looks to be a couple Wildmann stamps and another or two I just cannot make out. Then there's initials on the lower rib. Serbus, Raimey rse

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633379 07/26/23 01:54 PM
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OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Thanks appreciate the info. This one is a little plain looking but seems to be very high quality work that’s not been screwed with. I do like the stars in the stippling quite a bit, hope those 3 ring barrels are light. Now I have 2 XIV the other one is VL&D with ejectors but weighs 7.5#. If this was a 16ga I would be ecstatic!

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions ellenbr #633381 07/26/23 02:36 PM
Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 371 Likes: 98 southern New Mexico graybeardtmm3 Sidelock
graybeardtmm3 Sidelock Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 371 Likes: 98 southern New Mexico	Originally Posted by ellenbr Jeff Stephens' List would put it having been issued a serial number @ the onset of WWI and Lyund's list a year or two later. But the position of the >>Nitro<< Stamp puts it @ least @ the end of WWI if not in the early 1920s. The Crown is either a Quality Crown or a Shooting Performance Crown. This one just might be the latter, where it was taken to the range & tweaked. The Horn triggerbow guard is typical for cold weather environs and is quite common on inland Sauers. Nothing short with anything about this Sauer. Serbus, Raimey rse from memory, if there are two crowns, one will be somewhat larger than the other....and i believe the smaller is the quality mark, and the larger is the one for shooting performance. in this case, i think the crown is the smaller version. best regards, tom "it's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards." lewis carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633388 07/26/23 05:58 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama	Here is the text that Geno posted. Serbus, Raimey rse

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633402 07/27/23 07:55 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama	It appears the Larger Crown as higher lobes and the Crown stamp of the subject longarm looks to have similar higher lobes? https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=197052&Searchpage=1&Main=15668&Words=Woodsrunner38%27s&Search=true#Post197052 Serbus, Raimey rse

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633429 07/27/23 03:50 PM
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OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Judging by size I would guess this one is the smaller of the 2 crowns but I could be wrong. Thanks all very helpful and interesting.

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633443 07/28/23 06:40 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama	Again, this Sauer longarm just may have been issued a serial number around the onset of the 1st Great Disagreement in Europe, but it didn't pass thru the Suhl Proof facility till sometime between the End of WWI and the early 1920s. Serbus, Raimey rse

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633614 07/31/23 08:28 PM
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OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Gun came in today 15in + lop. I was correct it is much lighter than my other. Choked .015 .030. 2.75 chambers now someone opened up Last edited by Jtplumb; 07/31/23 11:27 PM.

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633681 08/02/23 10:49 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 870 Likes: 38 Central Illinois J.B.Patton Sidelock
J.B.Patton Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 870 Likes: 38 Central Illinois	You did well ! Best Regards, JBP

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #633682 08/02/23 10:58 AM
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OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Thanks, I’m guessing this is just a standard frame. Not anything unique like a 12 on a 16. I documented measurements just in case one of you cared. I’m happy with this weight, no doubt.

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #635376 09/10/23 08:50 PM
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OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Put the old girl to a little use on pass shooting some doves today. Love the LM IM chokes.
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Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #635400 09/11/23 10:18 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 11,147 Likes: 233 North Alabama	I sure you kept her & yourself cool......... Serbus, Raimey rse

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #635412 09/11/23 12:21 PM
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,043 Likes: 29 MT rocky mtn bill Sidelock
rocky mtn bill Sidelock Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,043 Likes: 29 MT	Jtplumb, Does this gun have a skeleton butt plate? Bill Ferguson

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #635451 09/11/23 10:57 PM
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OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Nope it’s old horn type after 15in lop of wood. Longest stock I have seen on prewar Shotgun.

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #636318 10/09/23 09:37 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 6,514 Likes: 410 Ontario, Canada canvasback Sidelock
canvasback Sidelock Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 6,514 Likes: 410 Ontario, Canada	That one is lovely. Good to see it put to good used quickly. The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #636453 10/14/23 01:33 PM
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OP Jtplumb Sidelock Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 637 Likes: 95	Thanks, having a hard time leaving this one home. It’s just about perfect for doves with 1oz load, hate to admit but best of all my 12s. I will have to buy me a 16ga Sauer pre war or Lindner with 28-30” barrels. Here is a rare 300e to heavy for me but wow restored it would be crazy. https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...-2-3-4-quot-shotgun.cfm?gun_id=102470477 Last edited by Jtplumb; 10/20/23 01:51 PM.

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #636623 10/20/23 09:17 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 870 Likes: 38 Central Illinois J.B.Patton Sidelock
J.B.Patton Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 870 Likes: 38 Central Illinois	My V,L&D mo. 300e is serial number 252699 . Bob Beach, retired from Griffin and Howe, informed me that it was listed in their gun log immediately after the one Kirby has listed. The log book shows it ( 252698) was sold in Nov 1929 to Newport News Shipyard - mine was sold to a Z.C.Patten . I love mine and has accounted for numerous ducks with modern 2 3/4” bismuth #4s- I would buy it but I have a pair of Lindner Diamond 10 bore hammer guns currently being addressed. Best Regards, JBP

Re: 1912 Sauer XIV questions Jtplumb #636625 10/20/23 09:36 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 870 Likes: 38 Central Illinois J.B.Patton Sidelock
J.B.Patton Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 870 Likes: 38 Central Illinois	Still looking for a suitable vintage case to house these in! Best Regards, JBP
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